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Thank you ! I was 99% sure but it's always more comforting when another person sees the same  Regards Paul |
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Good evening drnsreedhar, I just received this coin and thought you might be interested as you helped me to attribute a similar one earlier in this thread...As you can see the reverse legend is fully visible on this specimen showing the simha bottom left and deva bottom right... But something else has turned up..intriguingly the ruler is holding the trident in his right hand not left! I've not seen this on any other reverse in this series have you? Regards Paul  |
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Related to the coin above...I now have 5 coins in my set of Jayasimha, all with different legend variants and the above hand swap..Why did this ruler have so many variants? Any thoughts?
Paul
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Dear PaloucheYou have a nice collection of them. In fact, coins with full name seen on the flan is rare for Kashmir. Secondly, those available are worn out to such a state that most of the details are faintly visible. But this last one is a total exception! Congrats. I have seen trident on the left arm on a few good condition coins, but never on the right. Now about the reason for many different types of coins. Jayasimha had a fairly long rule of more than twenty five years. Changing the face of the coin was usual practice those days. Some letters struck to the left of standing figure in some and on the right on some other is common for Kashmir rulers. Might be more than one mints might have struck them with different dies under different mint masters. A solid answer to this question is still due! 
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Thanks.... Quote:
Jayasimha had a fairly long rule of more than twenty five years Yes I agree but for example so did Didda rani and Ananta and I've yet to see a legend variant on their coins, thats not saying they don't exist, just never seen one. As you said there are legend variants of rulers, but to my knowledge these usually occur when there is a second or third reign, which is more understandable, such as Chukravarman or Jayasimha's father Sussala. Also his coins are the only ones that have 'Sri mat' or 'Sampath' depicted on the coins. There are some pointers maybe such as his first five years of reign being under the guardianship of his father and when Sussala died the kingdom was in complete turmoil, with the tribal Damaras creating havoc across the kingdom, maybe mints were ransacked and had to be transferred to different locations and the stolen dies remade? I have no answers but just find it intriguing, and we'll probably never know.... Saludos Paul Edited by Palouche
05/01/2018 2:37 pm
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Hello drnsreedhar, I wonder if you could help me with some legend anomalies that I've come across... At the moment I'm researching Abhimanyu Gupta and eventually want to produce an individual article about each of the rulers in this series in as much detail as possible... I've managed to aquire Mitchiners reference pages but I'm finding quite a few irregularities in the legends!Hopefully you might be able to clear up some of my doubts.. 1. Mitchiner doesn't seem to mention which style of script is being used..The general concensus in the majority of references is "Nagari" but I've now come across a couple of new references that state it could be "Sharda" and looking at this script it does seem closer in style..Any thoughts? 2. Mitchiners legend breakdown for Abhimanyu Gupta is this  The plate coins he used for visual reference are not very clear and the three coins I have in hand do not follow this legend...see NYU ? But then again maybe I'm just reading it incorrectly? Also there seems to be a "dot" above BHI which follows sync with the "SIM" in the Jayasimha coins?   I hope you don't mind if in the future I continue asking for verification of legend anomalies as it would be really helpful? Kind regerds Paul |
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Dear Palouche:)I went through some literature, but still I am not able to find documentary evidence to this type of script. But from the script point of view your reading fully justified. This is supported by the fact that in Kashmir and Kangra areas generally, variation in script on coins is not uncommon. Eg: "Pu" on Apurvachandra coins of Kangra, "ka" of "kshema" on Kshemagupta coins.  Your reading in my opinion is correct.
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07/05/2018 02:44 am
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Thanks for the info! Really appreciated Paul |
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Hi drnsreedhar, Wonder if you could take a look at this coin, its really got me stumped! I can read SRI to the left...Maybe SU to the right...First thoughts are Sugandharani possibly Sussala but the reverse legend seems strange? Any ideas? Thanks in advance Paul  |
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Dear Paul, The reverse legend is "ja" "deva" making part of raja deva that should be read after the name of the ruler. This usually occurs in most of the Kashmir king coins.  As to your first impression of "Sugantha" I too have the same feel, it could be possibly "Sussala" but very remote is its chance. Edited by drnsreedhar
10/16/2018 11:25 am
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Thanks drnsreedhar, really appreciated...
Looking at the coin again I really don´t know why I thought of Susala,the style is completely wrong!
But I´m glad you agree its probably Sugantha...It was the strange tail running off of the VA that was throwing me as I´ve not seen this before...And of course the very slim chance it could be a Suravarman..
Thanks again for your time Paul
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10/16/2018 7:01 pm
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Hello Paul, I came across an article that explains your coin of Jayasimha with additional letters on the obverse. A.Cunningham doubtfully reads the legend as "sri me su ta" before Jayasimha.Our reading without that "su" is "sri ma t". He rates it as very rare as well. Here are the references  Coin number is 22. Reading is given below.  Source and title of the article are below.   Please find full version here https://www.jstor.org/stable/427206...tab_contentsEdited by drnsreedhar
10/17/2018 08:22 am
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Great detective work sreedhar!
Interesting how he depicts the reverse as only DEVA when its quite clear SINHA is to the left under the trident...
MESUT could be plausible as a title it has the meaning of fortunate or prosperous?
I will sit down over the next couple of days and read through the article..
Really appreciated Thank you..Paul
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Good morning drnsreedhar...Wonder if you could help out on the legends of the Toramana II coins please... I'm preparing a post over on the Ancients forum, to link in with my Kashmir set, and have been researching the Toramana coins....As far as I can make out the legends are in the latter transition period of Brahmi and I think I've got the first 4 characters correct?. But the last 'NA' symbol is giving me a headache! I'm not 100% sure how to write it?..Could you help?  Also after quite a lot of searching the general consensus is that the reverse legend reads 'Jayatu'- The victorious- There is definetly another symbol after the 'YA'....Any ideas?....If it is 'TU' have I written it correctly?  Thanks for your time its really appreciated..Paul |
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Hi drnsreedhar.. Wonder if you could take a look at this coin please.. Its confusing the heck out of me... I'm reading Avanti Deva but as you know the style is much much later.. Seller has it dated as 1165-1172 which would be the ruler Varttideva? Any ideas? Thanks Paul  |
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