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An 1858 Gold Dollar For Your Grading Considerations

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Here is an 1858 gold dollar. This is another "sleeper" in the gold dollar series. Unlike the 1856 gold dollar, this coin is fairly scarce. Of course there are not too many people who are working on a gold dollar set. I'm kind of "gnawing" on it. I have completed the Type I (less the 1849-C Open Wreath, of course) and Type II (Short but very tough) gold dollars, but the Type III's run on for years and years or so it seems. I have a lot of the coins from the 1880s, but the dates and mints and from the 1860s and '70s are daunting.

I'll warn that my photos make this coin like a little "grayer" in the fields than it really is.
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Given the field chatter, I think a mid-AU grade is deserved. But, knowing how loose the services can be with attractive AU coins, they probably gave this a 58.
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Is anyone else seeing all the hairlines in the obverse fields? Is it in a straight AU holder or details? Bill can you chime in?
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remember that this is a small coin, probably saw some circulation and is struck in a soft metal. from Bill's previous posts, i'd say it is likely a very attractive and problem free example, especially in hand.

i'd say AU-58 or even MS-60-61.
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AU-58, great pics.
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Is anyone else seeing all the hairlines in the obverse fields? Is it in a straight AU holder or details? Bill can you chime in?


You can't see any hairlines when when you see the coin live. My photgraphy sometimes seems to "invents" something that is not there. There are scratches on the piece. One is aobove Ms. Liberty's cheek, and the other is between the "S" and "O" in "STATES OF." Once more the picture makes them look bigger than they are.
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There is a tiny amount of wear on the high points of the design, both sides. (hair at Liberty's temple, band on wreath), so cannot be an MS grade, unfortunatly.

AU53 to 55 range.
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AU-58.
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I know I'll never convince you, but this coin is a PCGS MS-64. The piece probably spent some time with the reverse side up in a 19th century velvet lined coin cabinet. It does not take much to put fine hairlines on a gold piece. Gold is really soft and marks easily.

If you look at this coin with a 5X glass you will won't see much in the way of hairlines. What you will see is an original coppery surface with semi P-L luster. The hairlines show up under a 10X at certain angles.
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I would have never guessed MS on this coin especially with the marks in the fields on both sides.
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