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Bicentennial Quarter And 1983 LMC Rim Cud Or Fold Over Rim Fin?

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I'm horrible with these.

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Pretty sure the LC is a rim Cud.
The quarter could be the finning, are you sure it is not scratches? I'm assuming they are raised as well?

What's that above the ATES in States? The rim looks much higher than the rest, unless it is just from the lighting.
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It is not a scratch on the quarter, it is raised but it is dark out now. Also on States you are correct, that is where The light was the strongest
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Nice finds, look good to me
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They both look like rim Cuds to me although not as dramatic as this one: http://www.error-ref.com/?s=rim+cud

Fun finds. Enjoy!
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Any more opinions are greatly appreciated
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The quarter seems to rise above the design rim, so thinking if no damage to the edge is visible, it could be a rim Cud. That said I can not rule out a possible Rim Fin that was beat down over time.

My problem with confirming either or, stems from the circulation factor. If a second one could be found I think would confirm a rim Cud.

The cent I'll post on separately.

edit: forgot to add Thanks, Doug.
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Thanks Doug, Ill send JC an email
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Definition: Represents loss of part of the die's rim gutter. On the coin it appears as a raised interruption in the design rim that perfectly tracks the course of the design rim.

http://www.error-ref.com/?s=rim+cud

The emphasis in the above quote is mine. I am not convinced that this definition is met. I lean towards a folded over Rim Fin. See the example photo at the above link.

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09/26/2016 12:55 pm
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Thanks Pete!! I emailed JC so we will see what he says
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It is interesting. I find that when I try to understand what an attribution is and so state it in a thread like this...I learn more efficiently than if I just read it...especially if I am wrong!
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I think both are fold overs. Note on the link that Pete posted, the rim Cuds are a lot higher than the rim. On Dustin's coins it look more like a layer folded over. Rim Cuds a lot taller.
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On the cent, I'll say I've seen it referenced as a form of rim Cud in the past.

I'm starting to question these more now. Is the coin showing a slight misalignment? Second does the affected area actually rise above the normal height of the design rim?

When the die is misaligned I see a wider rim area to fill on one side of the coin. Sometimes it completes and sometimes not.

I'm not just looking at the site in question, but the design rim as a whole. Move your focus on the rim above TRUST that seems to be a full design rim until the last T, then it degrades or drops to the gutter and an incomplete back fill.

So I ask myself is the partly filled section in question actually gaining height compared to the section above TRUS?

If the section in question is flat and not gaining in height, I think the roof of the design rim was present. If it flows or rises above then it most likely is trying to fill in a void or chip(s) in the design rim. Remember this is pending no damage to edge is present as well.

Another thing to ponder is if the die wasn't chipped before it probably has good chance to soon be if the alignment issue is not corrected. Thanks, Doug.
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