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Full Bands On Reverse Of Roosevelt Dime What Are They Talking About?

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What are they talking about when they say 'Full Bands" when referring to the reverse on dimes?

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Full bands or FB in grading with rosies means that the horizontal bands on the torch are fully visible
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I thought
FB - Full Bands was for Mercury dimes

And

FT - Full torch was for Roosevelt dimes
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PCGS said it, it makes sense that FB will be on the Mercury dime

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Some guys call the bands on Rooie's full bands and others call it full torch .I'm sure they both mean the same .
It's the 2 sets of bands around the torch .
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Here's one with FT

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The bands are part of the torch.

I wonder if FB or FT are exactly equivalent, or is one better than the other...

Answer: board software won't let me post the link...so google: Full Torch Full Bands Roosevelt dime
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How about FTB for Full Torch Bands?
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The abbreviations for full strikes on Rosies has always been a bit vague, unlike the singular FB used for Mercs.
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I've always heard a NGC FT is tougher to get than a PCGS FB. I read somewhere that with NGC it must have both split bands as well as detail in the flame on the torch. Is that true?
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From PCGS's website...

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Full Bands
Term applied to Mercury (Winged Liberty Head) dimes when the central band is fully separated (FB). There can be no disturbance of the separation. Also applicable to Roosevelt dimes that display full separation in both the upper and lower pair of crossbands on the torch.

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I'm sure they both mean the same
Not quite. NGC's designation of FT (full torch) means that there is separation between the upper and lower horizontal bands split as well as the verticl lines being defined, PCGS's designation of FB (full bands) does not mention the vertical line definitions at all only horizontal bands
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Well then these TPG's have to get their act together.
Why should we collectors and dealers alike have to wonder if we have a FT,FB, etc. slabbed roosie or not?
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Well then these TPG's have to get their act together.
Good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you.
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Here's the PCGS release for their designation, which has some pictures explaining the difference.

http://www.PCGS.com/News/PCGS-To-Ad...sevelt-Dimes
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The right side of the lower bands is opposite the deepest part of the obverse design so they rarely fill in completely especially on the clads.
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