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New Member
Australia
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Can someone help me with these coins I purchased from ebay? are they fake or real? appreciate helps 1st coin:   2nd coin   3rd coin:   |
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New Member
United States
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I hope they aren't fake! They're pretty.
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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Preliminarily, I'd say complete fantasy, but I'm not familiar enough with rare early Chinese patterns, so they could be based on real types (especially the second).
I hope you didn't pay much. Are those seller's pictures, or yours? If the latter, did you do a magnet test?
EDIT: though they're sure pretty.
Edited by january1may
10/19/2016 05:08 am
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Valued Member
Netherlands
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I hate to say it, but I am afraid they are all modern fantasies. They might share a couple of elements with original coins and patterns, but even those are executed quite badly. Just look at the coat of arms one the last coin, simply dreadful. And is it just me or does the English text on the first coin make no sense whatsoever? Sure hope you didn't pay too much for them!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by TypeCoin971793
10/19/2016 08:06 am
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Moderator
 United States
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Well the first one says:
QING EMPEROR PICKED UP 12 LARGE ROUND (in English)
Not something generally found on genuine Chinese coins.
This particular seller has sold three of these lately for prices ranging from $2.25 to $10.01 with FREE shipping from China. Another Chinese seller has sold 4 of the same coin for prices ranging from $3.25 to $9.50 again with FREE shipping from China. Both sellers use the same photo and call them "silver colour".
Conclusion: Not genuine silver Chinese government issued coins. Translation: Fake.
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United States
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The second and third items are advertised as "tiet silver". This is a term that they use to indicate "not real solid silver". (There is also "miao silver, tibet silver" "german silver", etc).
When a seller advertises a coin using terms like "art", "handwork", "handicraft" and "carving", these are indicators that they are not original coins, but modern "handcrafted" (forged) coins imitating the "art" (of the original coin).
These are huge, 88 mm (3 1/2 inch), so if they contained genuine high fineness silver, they would probably contain several ounces of silver, making the price you paid of $7 and $8 with free shipping from China, a bargain "too good to be true".
Conclusion: Not genuine silver Chinese government issued coins. Translation: Fake.
Get a few small stands and display these oversized coins, as they would make interesting conversation pieces.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Send all of them back and get your money back asap. I don't even know if they are struck with traces of toxic heavy metals.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 110%! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Do not ever buy any coins from any seller in China, period. That's one of my ebay rules. |
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United States
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@fansizhan, first welcome to CCF. Sorry about having a bad ebay purchase. Second, this thread (written by one of our more knowledgeable members on Chinese numismatics) describes reputable sellers of older Chinese coins and may be useful if you decide to continue collecting in this area: http://goccf.com/t/266180"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
Edited by Spence
10/19/2016 7:35 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I hope when you bought them you didn't pay much of anything. They remind me of souvenir shop, gift shop or street market items and may be interesting as conversation pieces. But I hope you didn't have any expectation of getting officially issued coins.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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fansizhan  These are all numismatic forgeries - made recently to deceive collectors. It is likely more important for you to know why, so that you do not get deceived in the future with similar bogus items. Unfortunately, to do that you need to understand what actual Chinese coins look like. I advise no one to buy any coin they are not very familiar with first. So what do you do - you need to read books about world coins. A general reference like Krause's "Standard Catalogue of World Coins" is a great place to start. Used they are cheap. Prices do not change much so a 5 or even 10 year old copy is still of value for learning what to look for. The first two are not coins - they have no denomination listed. You should be able to recognize the Chinese Characters for silver, Yuan (dollar) and you should get familiar with Chinese dates. If a coin lacks this kind of data - it is not a coin. The third item has a date, a location and a monetary unit. While no such coin was actually made in 1867, I can understand how a novice might be fooled. One of the facts that you will eventually learn is that the Chinese monetary unit in 1867 was the Teal and that it was NOT standardized in the provinces. The reverse indicates a location of Hong Kong - yet it refers to the Shanghai Teal. Teal was different in Shanghai and Hong Kong. So that contradiction makes no sense. In addition Hong Kong was a British colony and used dies made in England - there is no known English rendition of the royal crest that is this crude and poorly engraved during the reign of Queen Victoria. Good luck in the future. If you study first, you will not need as much luck.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As silly as the lion faces look, the topic Hong Kong piece is made better than the one I have.  Edited by Albert
10/24/2016 11:38 pm
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