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Here is a definition: Quote:Definition: A "shattered die" features numerous intersecting die cracks. Along with the profusion of die cracks, a shattered die can also incorporate other forms of brittle fracture such as die breaks and retained die breaks. A shattered die often indicates a terminal die state, i.e., a die just short of catastrophic failure. A series of coins struck by a shattered die can often be arranged in a progression of increasing severity. A network of intersecting bi-level cracks constitutes one type of shattered die. In a bi-level die crack, there is vertical displacement at the site of the crack. This means the die face has sunk in on one side of the crack. http://www.error-ref.com/?s=shattered+die     Edited by Pete2226
12/08/2016 11:29 am
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I don't think so at this point when your coin was struck. I noted the examples on Mikes' site show more of a across the die event happening. And note the next paragraph: Quote:
A network of intersecting bi-level cracks constitutes one type of shattered die. In a bi-level die crack, there is vertical displacement at the site of the crack. This means the die face has sunk in on one side of the crack. I'm not seeing that yet on your coin. But the die is definitely breaking down at this point. |
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Thanks Coop. My eyes must be failing! I was thinking that I see Vertical Displacement along the entire top of the head under GOD WE and especially under D above the top of the head.
Also, I am aware that Mike's link shows cracks running across the coins, but his definition of a shattered die does not include cross coin cracks as a part of the definition.
Therefore, unless my eyes are deceiving me on the vertical displacement question, it appears to me to meet the definition of a "Shattered Die."
What am I missing?
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12/08/2016 10:50 am
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I definitely see retained die breaks. This being the obverse die, so it still seems to be retained. Will revisit shortly. Thanks, Doug.
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I see a Retained Cud, a spiked head, and a retained interior die break. Very Nice!  |
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I definitely see retained die breaks Thank you! I just edited the OP and substituted whole coin photos which are a little better than the first ones. They make me wonder if Coop is correct. Could it be that my close up photos are showing shadows which were leading me to see Vertical Displacement when it is not there? I don't know!   |
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Thank you JC! It looks like everyone was right but me!  Thanks everyone for contributing!  |
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Nice one pete! Poor lincolns head takes such a beating all the time...
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To me, it meets the definition of a lot of things. One thing I know for sure is it's an outstanding error coin. Nice coin Pete. |
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Was trying to examine the definition of a shattered die when I was pulled away earlier.
Wanted to add this being the hammer die and though looks shattered it seems retained. Was hoping to find something more on an isolated or contained shatter, but have fallen short.
Judging by the definition you included above, seems like it qualifies for whats decribed in the first paragragh as its in the process of becoming, if not already in a terminal die state.
Glad to see JC's reference of earlier examples. Wondering it gets any larger after your example?
Thanks, Doug.
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A very nice error. Surprised it survived as long as it did without being snagged up.
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Was hoping to find something more on an isolated or contained shatter, but have fallen short. The best I can surmise is that there is no such thing. The implication from the discussions posted is that the cracks of a shattered die must extend across a substantial portion of the die, although that was not stated in the definition. I guess that is what had me confused! |
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Definition: A "shattered die" features numerous intersecting die cracks. That's the definition, everything written after that is variations and can haves. Your coin fits the definition. There's no doubt in my mind it's a shattered die. Even without the definition, all I have to do is look at your coin, and I know that die was shattered. |
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That's the definition, everything written after that is variations and can haves.
Your coin fits the definition. There's no doubt in my mind it's a shattered die. Even without the definition, all I have to do is look at your coin, and I know that die was shattered. This is exactly why I titled this post the way I did! I guess that what was in the back of my mind was the awareness that the cracks were more localized - thus my question. The question of localization of the cracks is the point raised by those who say it is not a shattered die. My conclusion then is that the coin does fit the definition, but that the definition itself is incomplete and needs more work. Thanks for your comments. Edited by Pete2226
12/10/2016 07:39 am
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 , your welcome, and nice coin! |
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