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Grade So High For A Strike This Bad? 1925-D Lincoln Cent

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So I'm out looking for an upgrade on my 1925-D Lincoln Cent. The one I have is an EF in late die state with a chance that it may have been cleaned at some point. I want something around an MS-63.

I found this coin, graded at MS63BN, but everything (ob & rev) was mush! I'll post the obverse given with the listing and a link to the coin's listing.. I'd be very interested in what others think about such a coin. Have you ever seen anything like it graded so high?


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This is the listing for the coin on the Bay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1925-D-MS63...AOSwax5YyyaP

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No kidding, no whet lines either!

Looking at the slabbed photos ,If the reverse photo is of the same coin( which it seems to be) the reverse is rotated quite a bit!
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 Posted 03/23/2017  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Duncan_Doenitz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where's the value in such a coin? A numeric grade on it makes about as much sense as a numeric grade on a rutabaga.
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That certainly shows the limitations of a single number that completely specifies the characteristics of a coin. A single number is not enough.
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There's nothing about that coin that looks like a 63 to me. Except maybe the "2".
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That's a beauty actually! The 24/25 branch mint sets are some of the worst struck coins of the series. The branches relied on Philly for working dies. Due to a shortage of dies, both S and D over-used their dies to meet production quotas. This coin is graded accurately.
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There are two 63s and a 62 at http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm....aspx?s=2561 that show far clearer details than this specimen. Just looking at the wheat stalks, there is virtually no detail here, while the PCGS images show full lines and grains. The obverse is somewhat better, but LIBERTY is so weak compared to the PCGS images that I can't believe the 63 grade is justified overall.
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As far as the TPG's go, quality of the strike only comes into consideration when you get to 66 and up....based on my experience. The primary things a TPG looks at:

1) Eye appeal
2) Luster

Why? Because a grader only spends a few seconds looking at each coin and these are things that standout.
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Wow! Thanks BadThad for this great information.
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He also invented, "VerdiChem" or "VERDI-CARE." Which is mentioned a lot here at CCF.
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It is probably a Grease Filled Die, and the Lincolns in the 20's have been noted not to have great strikes.

I would say it was a 63
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So the coin I have in my album that looks like an XF/LDS is actually not a bad coin!

Between the time I first posted this morning and now, I found another 25-D that looks fully struck and was better priced. I'll post it when it arrives next week.

That also explains why nice examples of fully struck '24 S & D are so hard to find at reasonable prices.


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Looking at the slabbed photos ,If the reverse photo is of the same coin( which it seems to be) the reverse is rotated quite a bit!


That must be another common trait of 1925-D coins. More than half of the coins I looked closely at in my search (including the one I ultimately bought) display the same sort of rotation.
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This coin is graded accurately.

Maybe so ,but I'll be dar gone if I'll ever own it .
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For sure.
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I agree with the grade given.
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This is about as far as they let the dies go at the branch mints. I've posted it here many times. Chuck D. graded it MS-63RB.



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CC Scotty sold me this one he FOUND searching bags. I love him for that! It's a good strike for the issue. Obverse EDS:



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