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Hello all! This is a coin that's been in my family for a long time. I did some research and I think it might be a mexico Mo P real. Unsure if it's 4 or 8. Its not in that great of a condition but hopefully it's enough to identify. Any help is greatly appreciated! And if anyone knows what it's worth that'd be great too. :)     *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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@StephanieMFR, first welcome to CCF. Second, while this isn't my area of expertise, I'm somewhat concerned about the surface porosity. That may be an indicator of your piece being case (which would make it a fake) or immersion in salt water for a long time. Can you please post a few pics of the edge?
Also, I'm going to recommend to the mods that your thread be moved over to the world coin section so that some expert eyeballs can look at this.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would like to see edge pictures first, but at this point the news does not look good from my perspective. The features lack the sharpness that an original should have - even if it spent time under water.
The edge looks odd as well - there are raised features just inside the perimeter that could be associated with a casting and the feature visible above the shield (upper right top corner) looks like a possible seam (joint) between two molds.
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Pillar of the Community
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Commonly encountered cast repro of a 1620s Mexico 8R... has been produced for at least a few decades. Presumably, it was a mold done from an Atocha or Lucayan Beach wreck find. A few of its "littermates":  ---------------------- Quote:
...surface porosity. That may be an indicator of your piece being cast (which would make it a fake) or immersion in salt water for a long time. Being able to discern WHICH type of porosity is key. With experience, you begin to recognize the difference... Also note that often, cast repros are done FROM salvage examples, so you can end up with some reflection of the original's seawear porosity... along with some porosity from casting. |
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Realeswatcher in mid-April on ebay I will be selling a 1R pillar CCC I bought form Aureo & Calico a few years back that Luis gave me as a private treaty transaction at a NYITL ... tear it apart once you see it or tell me its a possible CCC ... I am getting depressed here - does a Cob or Pillar CCC exist? Anywhere? ... this looks good ... this week I am finally doing an XRF on it ... its an off-silver base alloy and not cast from a visual inspection. Actually this is a Pillar 1R. We shall see ... I own one Cob in Copper I purchased from Clem Schettino and several Pillar CCCs (~3) from various dealers over the years. I am looking forward to that 8R LVO CCC in the recent La Moneda de Mundo Auction. In route ... Edited by colonialjohn
03/29/2017 12:08 pm
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John, there are actually a good amount of CC cobs out there... but hard to pin them down much besides general patterns (say, Spain/France vs. New World - or sometimes the Levant or even occasionally the Orient). A recent example... my observation has been that CC 4R of this general style (sort of imitating early 1600s peninsular Spain 4R, especially Seville mint) are probably the most frequently encountered... at least out of Europe/the Near East. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPAIN-COLON...391732941315Also saw have seen a few interesting 2R pop up lately... funky design elements. As for pillars... as you know, they are scarce. I've seen maybe 10 8R... some 2R (a few of which I could be persuaded are just somewhat later gaming tokens). I can send you and Bob some pics at a later time - primary comp. is on the fritz currently). A pillar 1R would be interesting... don't recall ever seeing one. Lluis always, of course, has a supply of CCs (or at least what present as something like them)... I will say... though a bit hard to ascertain through the language barrier, he's not quite the devoted student you and Bob, Dave W., Ringo, etc. are/were. |
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Nice one. I guess I only hunt for Portrait CCCs and not Cob or Pillars but indirectly not much comes my way. This could be the explanation.
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Pillar of the Community
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All of the pictures show a clear seam line around the center of the coin - that is where the two molds were joined together before the forgery was cast.
There are very few cast coins that actually circulated so it is best to treat all cast coins as likely false until you can do research to determine how the coins were produced.
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Yes I agree with @swamperbob (although he's the expert). That seam means your coin is a fake.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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