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Rest in Peace
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MWsn1P3squad. Yes the Chinese do tender the coins to simulate wear, read this: http://goccf.com/t/284076According to other sources, they put out over 100,000 counterfeit coins PER MONTH! They've been doing this for years, really makes buying real coins kinda hard!  Edited by Crazyb0
04/19/2017 12:16 pm
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I have researched my coin and from what I have found, it seems authentic... However, if I wanted to find out for sure, because I am not an expert in the least, what is the best place to send it to be tested and checked out? Thanks for all of your input, I really appreciate it!  |
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Look for buyers of gold and silver and jewelry near you. I found one less than an hour away and they scanned my coin with their XRF machine. At least it told me what the metal composition was. In your case it seems the most important first step is to know if it is good coin silver or not and that's not hard to do well enough without sending it away. However, just look up online for grading services that offer a quick turn around verification of just being authentic or not without the added cost of grading. My personal info on these are out of date so just check out who's out there with a good reputation and go from there.
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Okay, sounds good!  Thank you again! |
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Hi all, Sorry to hijack the thread but it's a very similar situation. I've got a coin from a great-grandad's collection - he was in asia in WWI and I've been told this has been in our family since then. So far signs look promising.. Inscriptions all match a Hu Peh version I found online. Weight seems right - rounded to 27g as my scales don't do decimals. No response to a magnet. Pics hopefully attached (I'm useless at making this stuff work!) Thanks in advance for any feedback.   |
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@majaro, first welcome to CCF. Second, you are right about the hi-jacking part. Many folks who might be able to help with a new coin might miss you post tacked on to this other thread. Best practice is definitely to start your own thread. Your pics look fine by the way.
There have been so many of these counterfeited that I would argue one should assume that it is fake unless shown otherwise. For me, the fact that some of the English letters are partly not struck up is pretty strong evidence that you have a fake here. Look, for example, at the word CANDAREENS, but there are other places where the design isn't fully struck. Hopefully others here will have additional input.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Kann states regarding type 45b as being struck with worn dies and showing broken letters.
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Good morning!
Thanks both for the feedback - and duly noted RE forum usage.
So - as a complete layman - I gather this is inconclusive? The incomplete letters don't look great but this might come down to the original manufacture process?
Tricky business this!
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Both coins are real to me. The mintage of Hu Peh dollars were very high for both emperors so they are not the popular type to be counterfeited. Counterfeiting pieces do have some flaw that can be discovered. They don't have enough silver so the weight would not be standard. The English looks a little bit odd but they are typical for Hu Peh Province at that time.
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Thanks for taking the time to comment. It certainly seems in the right weight threshold so I'm just keeping optimistic on the lettering front!
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Many China dragon dollars have weak strikes and missing letters which make it
even harder to differentiate between real and fakes. Heard from some more experienced collectors
that certain genuine coins have weaker strikes compared to the fakes ! How insane is that.
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Must be near-impossible to specialise in these! Crazy that the counterfeiters are making coins too perfect compared to the flawed originals.
Thanks everyone for the replies - you've been very generous with your knowledge.
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I have one that is similar to the pictures. I know it is fake. It weighs only 20 gms.and is magnetic (probably nickel or steel). The one thing that is strange about it is that on the Chinese side mixed in with the peripheral inscriptions are some small letters. "HAH". Anyone have any ideas what this means? In the time these coins were produced I believe the warlords of the period heavily counterfeited these pieces. Did the producer of this counterfeit have the nerve to sign his own work? It came from a pawnshop where I paid $5.00 and the pawnbroker tried to tell me it was genuine. I knew he was lying but I figured what could I lose for $5.00?
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SStrauss, you lost $3...costs $2 on the no-no site.
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