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Varieties Of Silver 5 Cent Coins. Edited My Past Post

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 Posted 07/06/2017  11:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nikon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey so I have been wondering over the past few days as I have been able to pick up three 1920 5 cent coins, some of you I am sure have seen my posts in the grading forum.

One thing has bothered me with these three coins.. there are raised and flat boarder versions of the 1870's... but these in 1920 have not been recognized? I mean in particular the varieties of the silver 5 Cents, up to 1921.

Victoria: There are 26 minting years for 5 cents from 1858 to 1901, for only 11 out of the 26 years is there are no varieties.

Edward: 8 minting years for 5 cents, 5 of 8 years have varieties.

George V: of the 10 years the 5 cent was minted in silver. there are 0 years with varieties.
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 Posted 07/07/2017  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not enough room anywhere to list all coin varieties. Where do you get your number of varieties ? There are many, many more from 1858 to 1921, even in the Charlton catalogue . I've collected Canadian coins for over 50 years and never heard of a 1920 flat and raised rim 5 cents. The 1870 rims and denticles were a design change; what caused the 1920 difference in the rims ? Was it machinery-related abnormality, or a true difference?
When I was young, no one knew about the 1964 xwl variety nickel until 1970. The 1948-49 denticle varieties took over 40 years to be known and collectible. It took over 150 years to identify the 1859 cent varieties and list them. 1920 raised and flat rim.... hmmmm....
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 Posted 07/07/2017  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are varieties for every year of Victorian 5 cents.
None of your 1920 coins are of a different variety.
No simple answer will suffice for your question.
First thing you should do is find out what a variety is and how coins were made in the past.
Then rephrase your question .

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 Posted 07/07/2017  02:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nikon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey DBM. I totally respect your knowledge of what Varieties are and what are not.

But I am trying to learn myself. I have been collecting coins now for about 3 years. I am sure you would refer me to some obscure book that I should read so I can learn what a variety is. The problem is. The cost of one of the books is often 5 times what I am willing to pay for some type of coin I can probably pick up at an estate auction, or on ebay for fine example. not to mention the time I would need to invest in reading the book. When I went to Toronto a few weeks ago for the Coin Expo I was the youngest one there, and the youngest one looking for coins of the earliest dates.

I wish that I could have the time and opportunity to make coin collecting my career, Your collection I am sure is huge and I know your knowledge is much greater than mine. And I respect that you know more about the subject than me.

I like the hunt I go to auctions that have coins for sale. I look for different varieties. Do I know or have time or money to go to school to find out what the collecting community defines as a variety?

The question I asked was to hopefully spark some type of discussion.


But oh well.
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 Posted 07/07/2017  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
plus... there is a new Mint in 1908 and with a new monarch in 1911, the same design was used from 1912 which would minimize the number of differences, the workers were probably better supervised, and less beer was imbibed. It's not only the silver 5 cents from 1911 to 1921 with fewer varieties but all the coins of George V to 1936 are more uniform and have fewer varieties than before or after.
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 Posted 07/07/2017  06:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nikon ... you should have looked me up at Expo(I told everyone that I would be wearing red or orange) and I would have told you all about varieties and what you should be doing. You are starting out correctly by asking questions on this site.

See if you can get a hold of all the 5-6 old Hans Zoell pamphlets from the early 60's to the early 70's. Become a member of the RCNA and get their monthly magazine with articles, research and some great columns. By being a member you have the free opportunity to go through theri entire library and every Canadian Numismatic Journal that they've printed for xxx years.

I am not sure of the year (or if it is coming in the future), but the back section of every Charlton from 2011 on has a variety section in the back that covers a different denomination each year. It started with Victoria large cents and has had the dollar sections and 50 cent. I think that there was one on 5 cents. The variety section has 40-80 pages, depending upon space, with each page a different variety and photos with info. A small percentage of those in the back (based upon demand/interest) make it to the front section of Charlton. THAT must be what you are talking about with so few that you have seen. When we wrote the Vicky LC section, we had 80 pages (varieties) in the back and only 9-10 made it to the front pages in the following years. ICCS would/will not certify a variety unless it shows up in the front pages of Charlton and the same pretty well is the way that Trends (from Canadian Coin News)is as well. Join the RCNA, get the correct Charlton year for 5 cents, and use the RCNA library and back issues .. the information is out there and you just need to study. Charlton's are only about $30. I have always advised new collectors to make sure that the first $200 that you spend on coins should be in books or reference material, preferably by buying used books or ebay.

Here's the CoinsandCanada site: http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-grading.php
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..not to mention the time I would need to invest in reading the book.


Nikon, Please get the needed books..and plan to spend much needed and valuable time reading..
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I agree with Okiecoiner and DEVLEC about buying books about the coins you like. It will cost you a little investment in time and money, but its worth it.

You can always resell the books later, if you can bear to part with them. I've sold a lot of coins over the years, but I don't think I've ever sold one of my coin books. I'm always referring back to them for something.

We all wish you well in your coin studies.
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