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 Posted 07/25/2017  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I can't seem to find any fake Trade dollars with similar zeros to the coin in the original post.


Well, generally you try to find characteristics of a subject coin on other GENUINE coins. The fact that you can't find similar zeroes on other fake coins is not evidence that the subject coin is genuine. If you can't find similar zeroes on any genuine coin, then you either have an undiscovered variety or the coin is not genuine.

One other possibility...maybe it is the photography. I'd like to see another photo of the reverse, particularly of the .900 FINE area of the coin.

The more I look at this coin, the less I "like" it. Aside from the .900, the denticles are a bit uneven, the coloring is odd, and some of the letter bottoms (e.g. AMERICA) are not flat.
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Well, generally you try to find characteristics of a subject coin on other GENUINE coins. The fact that you can't find similar zeroes on other fake coins is not evidence that the subject coin is genuine. If you can't find similar zeroes on any genuine coin, then you either have an undiscovered variety or the coin is not genuine.

One other possibility...maybe it is the photography. I'd like to see another photo of the reverse, particularly of the .900 FINE area of the coin.

The more I look at this coin, the less I "like" it. Aside from the .900, the denticles are a bit uneven, the coloring is odd, and some of the letter bottoms (e.g. AMERICA) are not flat.


I was comparing to other fakes to see if it is a common area faked. Most of the fakes I've come across are more obvious. I'll take more pictures of this in hand when it arrives. Your comparison photos definitely help
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I'm looking at the reverse beak overbite on the original and that doesn't look right either.
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We are looking at compressed, pixelated pictures, which can distort fine details. I'd wait until it is in hand to make a call.
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I have found drawing random straight lines across the image of a fake will normally expose it b/c the lines intersect different details along their lengths than the same line copy/pasted onto a genuine coin's image.

Here is what I got with this coin:

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I have found drawing random straight lines across the image of a fake will normally expose it b/c the lines intersect different details along their lengths than the same line copy/pasted onto a genuine coin's image.


To be fair, that test will fail for every die transfer fake.
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It looks like an MS-62 or 63 to me, but luster is the key to coin like this. If the luster is broken or weak, it's probably an AU. Toning can hide stuff, and only way to be sure is to see it in person.
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I have a video of the coin from the person I bought it from. Well respected person in the community.
The luster was attractive and the reason I bought the coin. Hope this helps and maybe helps discern if this is genuine or not.
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My advice to most collectors is NEVER buy a raw Trade dollar. There are just too many fakes. Buy one in an NGC or PCGS holder.

Is saving some money worth it if you end up with a counterfeit? Think about it.
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After seeing video...Genuine grade MS-62
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How in the world can you determine authenticity by watching that video?

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Thanks murty for your opinion.

Chester, I figured it was better than the pictures and would show more detail.

Was delivered today. Will post pictures shortly
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Thanks Steelers. I was being cranky earlier...sorry. I'm hoping this coin turns out to be a winner for you!
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See pictures. The coin in hand has beautiful color and very lustrous. The pictures I was able to take look much clearer, but the CCF makes me optimize them, so if they appear blurry I can take more and try again. Took a bunch from different angles. regular lighting.
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