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1943-P LWC DDO, Extreme MD Or Both?

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Recently purchased a 1943 LWC OBR. Came across this guy in the role. At first I thought it looked like an extreme form of MD, However, on closer examination it looks like MD plus possible DDO. This is most evident on the letter E in WE. I'm confused and would like the input of the experts. Thank you.

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It looks like Die Deterioration to me.
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I think the coin is plated, and not very well.
I might be wrong, I haven't seen a LDS steel Cent.
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The plating makes a judgment about the coin very difficult.
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i have to agree with Die Deterioration , plus if it would have been DDO it lost any value it had with the platting.
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Die Deterioration doubling. No extra value.
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with Die Deterioration,very late die stage with much metal flowing.
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I agree it's Die Deterioration Doubling, it's so severe you can see the "orange peel" fields also. I'm not convinced it's plated, considering where it came from.
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Re-processed coin. VLDS die state when the coin was struck. All direction of die wear is towards the nearest rim. Not a doubled die, and the re-pro pretty much reduced collectable value to face value. (but still a Wheat cent)
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coop how can you tell it's re-processed? This coin was obtained from an "OBR" of 1943 cents. I compared them to two similar coins that I know are re-processed as the clearly look chrome plated and confirmed by two local coin dealers. These look much brighter than my circulated coins but are more grey (duller) than the known re-processed coins. Thank you in advance for any additional help.
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It's a very extreme case of Die Deterioration Doubling do to too much die wear. VLDS (Very Late Die State). The die was about at it's end of it's lifespan. No extra added value for this error.
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I think the color is off a little in your pics MS12, maybe that's why he said that. Unless I hear of a tell on repro, I think it's original.
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I found this old post of coop's talking about the difference. Also, others have mentioned that if the edges are shiny, it's replated. The original coins edges were never shiny due to the steel being coated before the planchet were punched out of the sheet.


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A re processed 1943 steel cent will appear glossy, but a real 1943 steel the surface will appear flat in appearance.

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Re-processed coin have a look that is not correct. The zinc coating on a normal coin does not look shiny. More like a satin look.
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When they are re-processed, then they coin look very shiny, and enhances any imperfections. (rust/die deterioration/damage) they stand out even more on them.This thread created a need for a SBS image of the differences. Now we have one.
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