8 Reale Lima 1753 Some Comments Re- Authenticity Please - Page 2

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jfransch Pillar of the Community United States 1801 Posts	Posted 08/18/2017 8:20 pm Here is another one to check out. Has damage from filled chop marks but weight is good and edge is good. Similar odd H-I lineup as the original post but with the normal mintmark with the bar in the bottom right of the "M". Mine has sat in my safe since 1989, the filled chopmarks were not visible when I bought it but the coin began to tone oddly about 10 years after purchase and the problems became obvious. Report this Post to the Staff
ancientiques New Member Romania 3 Posts	Posted 04/21/2021 6:12 pm Hi guys, I come on this forum and topic while trying to educate myself about the correct edge pattern for the Colonial 8 Reales as I bought a lot in good faith in the beginning and now when I need to sell them I cannot sell fakes. Could one of the members photo the edge of a surely authentic piece from that year? I attach the pics of my coin and edge pattern asking if there are different tulips in different years considering I met at least 2 different models and logically one should be fake... Thank you in advance for your support. Only experts are invited to reply or at least people owning this 1753 Lima 8 Reales in good original state. I am unabkle to upload the relevant pics of my coin's edge after many many tries, I apologies. Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 04/21/2021 7:51 pm ancientiques Hello and Unfortunately, without photos of the edge it is impossible to assess your coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34425 Posts	Posted 04/21/2021 8:36 pm @ancient, first welcome to CCF. Second, I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties with uploading pics. It does take a little getting used to, although it seems like oftentimes it is due to the pics being too large. Here is a link to the tutorial: https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...g-images.asp I look forward to seeing what you have, although I will be a lurker as this isn't my area of expertise. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
ancientiques New Member Romania 3 Posts	Posted 04/22/2021 02:33 am Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189117 Posts	Posted 04/22/2021 11:38 am ancientiques, to the Community! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 04/22/2021 10:01 pm ancientiques The pictures are perfect for authentication. Unfortunately, the coin is without any doubt what so ever a Numismatic Forgery made sometime in the last 50 years using very modern methods. In my opinion the coin is a Centrifugal Casting which was edged post creation using an incorrect Lotus design. There are clear grinding marks on the edge which are simply incorrect. There is a very interesting break (Mold fracture) visible on the left side of the obverse. I believe the coin is worth melt value of the metal plus a small amount ($5 to $15 US) as a modern collectable replica. Report this Post to the Staff
ancientiques New Member Romania 3 Posts	Posted 04/23/2021 01:45 am Thank you for your knowledgeable opinion, however, I just realised that all the fake columnarios I saw even in international auctions have a very clear sign of forgery...the pillars crowns are identical not different as it should be in an original one. Am I on something? Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 04/23/2021 10:38 pm ancientiques The column capitals are a subject by themselves. In Lima in 1753 the Capitals were nearly if not exactly identical. At other mints and dates the variation can be quite drastic. Many Modern Forgers are using actual genuine coins to create their dies and molds. In this case I believe that is what happened for both coin faces. The edge dies were not accurately copied and neither were the borders. Report this Post to the Staff
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