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New Member
Australia
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Hi. First time poster here. I hope to get some help identifying this error. Today I was going through some of my One Penny coins and discovered this 1923 coin has an error on the obverse. You can see some extra metal between the letters IMP and the edge of the coin. You can also see a line that runs from the extra metal, under the letters GEORGIVS and ends at the standalone letter V. As this line goes under the letters, it couldn't be PMD. Can anyone please help identify what this error could be?    |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I am going to go with a late stage die crack. Essentially the die was cracked and metal flowed upward into the crack when struck. that results in a raised line on the surface of the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 And it was well on its way to becoming a Cud. |
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Rest in Peace
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A die crack usually shows as going OVER the details, this goes UNDER the details. This is only surface effecting, die cracks run deep into the die, therefore a struck through error here, IMHO.  Edit: Die cracks would have a population of similar strikes whereas a strike through tends to be one of a kind. Any known similar recorded examples anywhere? I'm not familiar with any foreign references? Edited by Crazyb0
08/30/2017 1:17 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A die crack usually shows as going OVER the details, this goes UNDER the details I categorically disagree. I think it often rides the tops or bottoms of letters, mostly because that would be a weaker spot on the die. Conversely a struck through would be visible over the detail, because the item rests on top of the surface of the coin and the detail is pressed through it. I would use my current post http://goccf.com/t/295553 as proof, but you did not agree with me on that one either  |
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Formerly nancyc
Australia
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As far as I'm concerned, this is a Die Crack, as evidenced by my almost identical coin. Australia 1d 1923 Obv D.Cks  life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I think yours is actually a shattered die Nevol? I just looked at OP post and they are both the same so yes the error is from a shattered die :)
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08/31/2017 06:15 am
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New Member
 Australia
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Thanks everyone for your replies  Quote:
As far as I'm concerned, this is a Die Crack, as evidenced by my almost identical coin.
Australia 1d 1923 Obv D.Cks Is there a possibility our coins were struck by the same die around the same time, or is it just a coincidence the imperfections look similar? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sporry.
That is exactly what Nevol is trying to say. He was probably responding to Crazyb0's point.
Essentially what crazyb0 said is that if this were to be a die crack, we should expect to see other coins with an identical anomaly, or similar anomoly that indicates that it is the same crack at a different point in its progression.
Nevol presented such a coin, and that should settle it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Heavy cracked die with I think a Retained Die Break. A Die Crack that has advanced.
Errers and Varietys.
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08/31/2017 2:01 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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a Retained Die Break. Yeah, that area by the MP sure looks like it! If that piece broke all the way off from the die then it would be a rim Cud like someone previously mentioned. |
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Valued Member
Australia
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A nice die crack. No doubt about it. Quite common for this year in varying stages.
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New Member
Australia
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Have one exactly the same. Was going to post this but had promlems with the image optimser. Will do so if someone wants to see my one.
Being new here, do die cracks increase or decrease vslue of coins?
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Valued Member
Australia
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do die cracks increase or decrease vslue of coins? To an Australian variety collector die cracks will always command a premium. The mintages are far lower than some other countries and therefore far scarcer. The severity of the crack makes a difference. The OP's coin is an average grade worth a couple of dollars without that crack. With the crack $4 would be reasonable. It is interesting to note that a coin in higher grade with a crack will only attract a small premium, as most collectors of these varieties will be happy to spend a few dollars only!! |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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High grade die crack coins do attract a decent premium as long as the die crack is large/interesting/spectacular (shattered dies or cracks like the 3 legged emu) . Minor die cracks are common and will hardly interest error collectors as well as being a negative for those after perfect early strike gems. The OPs penny doesn't show the crack on top of the lettering as circulation has worn it off.
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Posted 08/30/2017 11:50 am
