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I found this 1889-CC Morgan dollar in my old "lost" collection that was in my attic. I'm not sure if it's authentic or not because someone told me the mint mark is supposed to be off set to the left. I have seen some other forums saying the mint mark on this coin can vary in location. I'm somewhat new to coin collecting so some information would really help. Thanks, Ballistic    |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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would be easier if you post a photo of the entire obverse and reverse of the coin..
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 United States
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Welcome to Coin Community.
Near as I can tell, there are 5 obverses and 5 reverses known for this issue. Each of them can be identified by specific characteristics. However, the images presented here offer very little in the way of evidence.
What's necessary is full-face pics of obverse and reverse, with the coin as square to the lens as you can make it because positional relationships between features are of great importance. Images shot at an angle distort these relationships, and are deceiving.
The images presented here hint to me of one of the specific die pairs known, but are in no way conclusive of authenticity.
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New Member
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I found this 1889-CC Morgan dollar in my old "lost" collection that was in my attic. I'm not sure if it's authentic or not because someone told me the mint mark is supposed to be off set to the left. I have seen some other forums saying the mint mark on this coin can vary in location. I'm somewhat new to coin collecting so some information would really help. Thanks, Ballistic      |
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United States
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Technical design details aside, the overall "look" of the coin - especially the extreme softness of the center of the obverse - leads me to immediately figure it counterfeit. It's an "at a glance" kind of example.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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 circulation rub is fairly consistent on most Morgan's, with some differentiation due to strike, and the circulation patterns on this example are inconsistent with real Morgan's. |
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United States
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Agree it doesn't look right I am leaning towards counterfeit. It looks washed out, liberty's face looks off, and date looks off
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The subtle toning around the devices and lettering almost has that fake Chinese counterfeit look. The rounded date looks suspicious as does the lacquered appearance in the insides of the date. It almost looks like the toning was "painted" on the coin and some type of lacquer was used as a mask to protect certain areas of the coin when it was getting that "aged" look from the counterfeiters. If you think it is real then send it to ANACS for a quick and reasonably priced third party grading. If it slabs genuine you can always send it to NGC or PCGS for a crossover. To be marketable in the real world slabbing is a must, anyway. This coin has a lot of red flags right now. I think it is counterfeit based on what I see in the pictures. ( Oh and  to the Community!) Edited by westernsky
09/05/2017 10:21 am
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United States
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According to VAMworld, "The 1889-CC is the rarest of the Carson City dollars and frequently counterfeited." I did a quick look at the listed varieties for this date and mint mark, and it is my opinion that your coin matches none of them. To me, your mint mark looks "centered" (as opposed to "set right" and "tilted left" and "dropped C"), and VAMworld expresses doubt that any genuine 1889-CC have a centered mint mark. The position of the date seems to match that of the "set right" variety (as opposed to the "normal"), but the shape of the date digits appears to be different and thus suspicious. The "centered" mint mark is always associated with the "normal" date.  Multi-thousand dollar coins that are accompanied by a story that it came from an "old "lost" collection that was in my attic" always cast a shadow of doubt over the authenticity. Would you care to elaborate on how you obtained this coin? |
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United States
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Ballistic, just putting some stuff out here, does it pick up will a magnet, have you weighed it? I don't like the date or the " in god we trust " just does not look right to me.
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United States
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Rest in Peace
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Plus stars are mushy, denticals uneven, probably "Dink's" instead of "thunks" like a real one!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In the close-ups of the eagle talons on reverse, I see what appears to be porosity, usually a sign of reproduction. I'm not a Morgan expert, so take that as a non-professional opinion. We're glad you are here, Ballistic! "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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United States
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United States
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I think after looking at so many coins, one can almost determined that either the coin has questionable authenticity. The surface, strike sharpness, amount of luster are evaluated all being calculated at one point.
If I have doubt that the coin is a counterfeit, than most likely it is a fake, having said it. I agree with everyone else assessment that the post coin is a fake for sure, not a Morgan expert either.
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Posted 09/04/2017 8:27 pm
