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Is Coin Collecting Dead As An Investment?

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 Posted 01/10/2018  03:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Craig to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I want to get peoples thoughts on this topic. Is coin collecting dead as an investment?
By this I mean, is it really worth people buying coins from either Australian Mint or on the secondary market to squirrel away for retirement? (error coins, etc aside)
I ask this because I looked at some of the coins I have purchased over the years, and while there are some fantastic stand outs that have increased in real value (not just in the guides), the rest, basically is junk. There is a big difference in the Insured/Cat value to the market price, and the market price has not changed much.
I have sold coins over the years too, one ebay buyer who I have sold to a couple of times leaves the feedback "Thank you for your Prompt Delivery for this BLUE CHIP COIN 4 MY SUPERANUATION" and I have to think, unless they are getting a steal on the price, wouldn't they be better to keep their money stuffed under a mattress?
If the demand is there for certain items the value goes up, but so much crap seems to be pumped out it all gets lost...
Of course people also buy because they like the coin plain and simple (which I have done because I like a series, or the dates/theme for my kids), I'm looking at it from an investment view.
Thoughts?
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01/10/2018 03:14 am
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 Posted 01/10/2018  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, for most of us, I don't think you will get rich investing in coins.

Just look at the stocks.

I collect mostly US type coins, but I also like bullion too. Shiny bullion coins can be enjoyed for their beauty and they are very liquid asset.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  06:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"Thank you for your Prompt Delivery for this BLUE CHIP COIN 4 MY SUPERANUATION"


Craig,this guy purchased a couple of Coins off me about 5 years ago and left the same FB,so He is still around.
I wouldn't worry just this person being a smartarse or having a Joke.My Coins weren't cheap so its probably a stock FB response.

Just my opinion but nothing has changed regarding Coin Collecting since I was at School in the 1960's,Key Dates,Unc. Coins and Gold/Silver are the priority if you wish to make money.
The time to buy is generally now,Jan.-Feb as most people are careful with their money post Xmas,time to sell is August-Oct. when people get Tax refunds.
Hard to make money out of the Perth Mint releases,just too many Coins these days and the Gold/Silver Coins are just too expensive.
As I've posted before the general public are at a huge disadvantage re price,Dealers get a discount plus no GST for many so you are 20%+ discrepancy before you even start.Also the Mint clears stale stock to O/S Dealers at bargain basement rates,that's why you see Oz. Gold/Silver Coins on US/Euro.eBay at cheaper $ than the Mint sold them for originally.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been spending something like an average of $1,000 (2018 values) per year on coins since 1963. That's a loooong time.

I sold most of my original collection in 1976, because I needed cash to help with a down payment for a mortgage on our first house.

Since then, I have never been tempted to sell any of my coins.

I have never regarded them as investment, and I am not really bothered as to how much my collection may be valued at now.

My kids will auction my collection (if they wish), after I kick the bucket. Who knows? - they may even keep some for themselves - I don't care, they will reap the financial benefits - and good for them !

So the value of my collection to me? - nil.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your question was about Australian coins, but I believe that it applies to coins in general.

I don't believe that coin collecting was EVER alive as an investment.

It is true that some collectors who started in the 1930s had fabulously valuable collections for their estates many decades later, but that was quite a different era with few collectors.

It is possible that some might do well today by buying scarce classics in high grade, but that is hardly something you can be sure of. In any case, with so many people chasing these rarities, the prices are already high. Is there much room for further increase?

Certainly the vast majority of modern mint products will likely never be resold even at the original purchase price, let alone at anything resembling a profit. The main problem here is that there is so much product, collector interest is seriously diluted for any given item.
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01/10/2018 07:19 am
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 Posted 01/10/2018  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Put it this way - you can make a living out of anything if you are a professional. Coin dealers exist so of course there's room to make money.

Unlike bullion, coins / banknotes / numismatics materials are items that need to be looked after. That's much easier said that done, i.e. imagine storing them away in a dark and damp attic.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pistareen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have collected coins for only fifty+ years and am not sure how well they will do when it is time to sell them. You might look at how Eric Newman did since he started collecting and recently passed away at 106 years old. Coins as investments long term only work if you buy rare coins. "Rare" meaning something so difficult to obtain and so in demand that you typically see it offered for sale just once in your collecting lifetime and at an abnormally common cost. Junk even if purchased long ago is still junk and not a good investment. I know I squandered the first twenty years of my collector time on coins that were not "rare" but more "liquid" and any I still have are not making me happy now. If you were to by only one or a few coins a year and bought them according to a theme that interests you and looking back cannot be duplicated anywhere near the same price now, then you may have exercised "taste" in selection that will have created lasting value. Think about the end game fifty years from now and be extraordinarily selective and "lucky" meaning work hard to be knowledgeable enough to recognize those once in a lifetime deals on the instant they fleetingly appear. The result may be a specialized collection that is museum worthy, and which your notes help in defining the collection for others. Like art, there are Old Masters and Velvet Elvis's so buy what you like, but try to buy what no one yet appreciates. Anything sold as a "collectible" isn't. Value is in the journey, not in the mass of metal you leave to unworthy heirs. In Eric's case he bought a US 1894-S dime for $4750 in mid career in the 1950s. This is a rare coin. It cost half a house in buying power back then. He sold it for $6000 soon after. That was an investment. If he had kept it it would be worth over a million dollars today which would buy a full house and nicer than what he would have got back when. But Eric already has a house, the same one he bought back in the day. What would you have done? That may help sort out the difference between investors, collectors, and the hybrid "investor-collector" we all think we are.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@gxseries is quite right. I look at making a living as job you spend 40 hours a week at. Investments are something which you think of as more passive-put the money in and check every now and then.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pistareen is precisely correct.

If you want to consider your coin collection to be an investment, then you have to treat it as such. That means you purchase the best quality in classic material you can afford, preserve it, and put it by for decades. I'm of the opinion that it's not really 'my' coin collection, it belongs to the family. It may not be sold for 50 or 100 years, in order to get the full benefit of appreciation. You can obtain a great deal of satisfaction in building a collection in that manner, even though I will be long gone at the time it is sold.

It also means I'm not buying anything from the world's mints that was issued after, say, 1965. If I want to have a secondary collection that is just for my personal enjoyment, and not to be considered as an investment, that's fine, but we should not delude ourselves or our families as the worth of our collections. The album of Lincoln pennies is fun, the slabbed items are the investment.
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01/10/2018 12:56 pm
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If you buy junk it will always be junk, and there is a LOT of junk.

If you buy beautiful coins that you LOVE, others will likely love them too.

Please point out the auction house, coin dealer, or web base that's reduced their prices in the last 3-4 years.

This is a constant blather on this site, and frankly, I'm tired of listening to it.

I've fought like a beast in the last year to buy coins I love and they are MORE expensive, not less.

I had my head handed to me last night on a 66 Liberty nickel, 1883, no cents sold on Heritage. I bid to TWICE ask and wasn't even the underbidder.

Finish your inventory, keep it updated, form your want list, list preferred grade and price range.

Investment? Maybe not. Tossing money to the wind. Also not.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Is coin collecting dead as an investment?


Like others have said: Unless you're a professional dealer or trader....forget it! If I had to make a living out of coin collecting or investing in coins, I would have starved long ago.

I never met a financial advisor that said but coins in your portfolio. If it was, it's at the bottom of the list. I would venture to say, it's not on the list at all.

I would dump my entire collection into a slot machine before I would ever consider it as an investment.
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01/10/2018 6:08 pm
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 Posted 01/10/2018  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I never met a financial advisor that said put coins in your portfolio. If it was, it's at the bottom of the list. I would venture to say, it's not on the list at all.


I agree 99% of the time but there are exceptions,going back to the 1960's,and even into the 1970's, the 1930 Aust. Penny was regarded as a excellent Investment by the major Coin Dealers and Numismatic Societies and it often appeared in Newsletters as 'the' Coin to buy.
As I posted in another Thread one of the major US Coin Dealers had his agent buying all available 1930 Coins back in the 1960's which inflated prices for a year or so.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The more you study and the more you learn, the better equipped you'll be to actually "invest" in coins for an above-average long term return. Many, many intelligent collectors have done so for decades and even centuries. It's no different than in any other hard-asset field (fine paintings, sculpture, and so on) or even financial assets. You have to know your subject, and if you do, you can make money.
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01/10/2018 6:19 pm
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I think there's money to be made but not by everyone.You need to do a lot of research and choose
an area that you like and know it inside and out .I have done well by placing wanted adds.buying cheap on
ebay and facebook or dealer auctions but the key is to become an expert and know what you are collecting
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 Posted 01/12/2018  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stamps are very much dead as an investment unless they are the elite stamps that are sought after, and well as to coins - maybe not so much.

I do it because I seen my first 1930 penny way way back when it was a few hundred bucks and was captivated and been collecting ever since.

I don't have a big collection, I place the focus squarely on quality and will scout for months (and save) until I find a premium example of what I want, then I spend a small fortune on that coin.

I have all Australian key dates except the mule halfpenny and I guess I will bequeath them to someone in the family.

One coin I that is not an investment is the 1923 halfpenny - mine purchased 10 years ago is cheaper today, maybe that's a recession thing, I don't know.

Best of luck to you.
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 Posted 03/12/2018  06:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No and yes like any investment there are risks so it up to you if you want to or not. However if you believe that its a good investment for the long term I would caution against that even tho I like coins and would love to see them go up in value, lets not kidd ourselves compare it to art.

I mean if you invested in gold bullion or coins pre-lraq war you made money when you sold or the bought pre hunt brothers silver cornering and the early silver ramp 2011ish and then sold you made your monies worth. However I would still advise stocks for long term growth. Dont put all your eggs in one basket!
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