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I am only remotely familiar with British and American Colonial evasion, non-regal, and contemporary counterfeits. I trust the source (a dealer I bought from before but this is not his expertise) and it was labeled as US Colonial Evasion. Thank you for your assistance! GEORGIVS . III . REX . BRITAN NIA. I lightened up the photos a bit for better details.    Edited by NJcoppers
02/08/2018 4:36 pm
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Not exactly my area either, but it is not an evasion. Evasions had intentional errors in the legends. I would say this is a British made cointerfeit.
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Not at all a genre I know much about, but I concur this one is more along the lines of a counterfeit as opposed to an evasion. I'd remark that it rather looks like it was cast rather than struck. If that's the case, the source for it could've been almost anywhere. I do know from doing some superficial research on the topic, that the American colonies in this era were awash in counterfeit and evasion halfpennies to meet a desperate need for a circulating coinage for everyday transactions.
Colligo ergo sum
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Thank you for the inputs. I checked the genuine 1775 British halfpenny (see below the PCGS graded one) and it's not the same. The 5 in the 1775 is higher in the non-genuine coin. I also checked the Machin's Mills coins (see below PCGS graded), and it's not that one either, unless the Machine Mills has several other varieties. So if it's not a colonial evasion, and not a genuine, then probably it's a non-regal and one of the 200+ varieties.
How can I ask the moderator/staff to move this thread to the British Coins forum?https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1325718Genuine British PCGS graded:  Machin's Mills PCGS graded:
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There are multiple varieties of genuine pieces too and multiple Machins varieties (frankly I'm not an expert but I would question whether that PCGS Machins is really a Machins.)
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Yes just a 1775 George III Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit. See Chapter 6 of my new book ( Amazon Books - Forgotten Coins) as an overview and how to form a Type Set of these interesting pieces. Yes during the 13 colonies Eric Newman first brought it to our attention that possibly at least 50% of all circulating hard currency was of this sort = English & Irish bogus halfpence - not so much the farthings however based on dug hoard/collection finds. The weight to regal for the 1770-1775 issues is ALWAYS your #1 indicator and not so much Portrait/Motif crudeness. BTW- So - Yes it's NOT an ATKINS//Cobwright type Evasion. John Lorenzo Numismatist United States Edited by colonialjohn
02/09/2018 11:07 am
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It's a counterfeit, not an evasion.
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JPL, thank you for helping identify the coin and the background info on the types. I checked out your book on Amazon. Looks very comprehensive and it has a well written description that surely peaks interest. If not already, it sure will become a reference book. Thank you everyone for the inputs and the attribution. So it's a non-regal counterfeit. This coin is making its way to me from Europe as we speak, but the dealer has a free return policy. I know my NJ coppers fairly well, but this is my first non-regal/evasion coin. I do like it and want to keep it, but I may have overpaid for it. IMHO it's about a VF-30 or 35. I paid $60 for it, but if it's worth at least $50 I will keep it. What would you grade it at and how much you think it's worth? Thank you. |
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Unless it was made last week, even counterfeits have history. If you like the coin, at $60 it's not a huge investment/lost one way or the other. Now if you added another zero on it. that might be a different story. You said you trust the seller, go with that. Either way, it's still an interesting coin. Les  |
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A somewhat more interesting contemp. ctfeit halfpenny... but $60 is rough for that condition. Seek out good surfaces where possible. Quote:
I would question whether that PCGS Machin's is really a Machins.) It absolutely is NOT! |
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Yes they did make a mistake, the vf20 and vf30 coins pictured are the Machin's coins but the AU53 is not.
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