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Just remember, when you ask a question be prepared to hear an answer you might not like.
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So I was just wondering what do you think is the best way to respond to detractors and snobs who dismiss such interests as "Less than sophisticated."?


Honestly the best way is probably just to ignore them. You aren't likely to change the opinion of people who are that misinformed, and people like that forget that there's always better collections than their own that could say the same thing about them
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We're going to be lucky if the kids can put their phones down long enough to collect anything, this is the most soulless generation I've ever seen, and we boomers were bad enough.
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I collect all US coins, both old and new. I collect the old type coins because of their history and the nice variety of classic designs. I collect the new because they're readily available in circulation and I enjoy filling up holes in my folders.
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 Posted 04/19/2018  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Basically I'm thinking about getting into modern coins. I'd probably start with something accessible like the 50 State, territorial and national parks quarters in MS-67 or higher grade, or maybe Jefferson nickels in MS-63 or higher (67 or higher for later dates.)So I was just wondering what do you think is the best way to respond to detractors and snobs who dismiss such interests as "Less than sophisticated."? I've always hated snobs, and I've never been able to respond to them without losing my temper. Luckily, I don't think most people into coin collecting aren't snobs, but I'm sure you do run into them from time to time.


I can't stand snobs either but most modern bashers aren't really snobs, they just have a visceral hatred for clads and moderns. The introduction of clads in 1965 not only destroyed the coin market of the time but it also hurt collectors because the perception was all the good coins were no longer circulating. Coin collectors were blamed for the coin shortage and were punished in various ways by the FED, mint, and government. By the time it and all the date freezes were over collectors who were left hated clads not only because they were debased junk but because of what they represented.

This disdain has been passed on to new collectors for more than 50 years.

During all this time few people even so much as looked at the coins so they didn't notice that finding nice attractive BU coins was often quite difficult. They had a knee jerk reaction to just dismiss clads and all modern coin collectors.

With the introduction of the states quarters interest in all moderns has been growing slowly and steadily.

The next ten years will be a very interesting time in the hobby as it diversifies and is led by a new generation which doesn't hate moderns.
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How do you respond to people who scoff at the idea of collecting modern coins and dismiss by saying...

I am a very weird human. I always have viewed peer pressure as one of the more ridiculous and foolish things in this world. The root of it is a problem with personal pride (nice way of saying stuck up) to some degree.

How exactly do I respond? It depends. Sometimes you can tell the stuck up person may not even be aware of it (happens a lot). I have asked people why they think its so vital for me to think/act/collect the way they do? If I get an adult answer, we can move on from their.

If I get an answer like, "well, it just dumb if you don't," I set the hook to see is they can be helped to think.
"Oh, OK, so help me understand what I'm missing here?"
If these people can use their reasoning ability, this approach can lead to them into actually thinking about what they are doing/saying. You may open up a new world to them and gain a friend.

For each legit response they give, ask another legitimate question. It can lead them into a whole new world of using their logic before their emotions.



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Frankly, when I have extra money, I like to buy new bullion(mostly silver 1 ounce coins) and fractional gold coins. It depends on a couple things. Whether your looking to make a quick buck and profit, or because you just enjoy the hobby. It can be both

I personally like low mintage new coins and colorized coins, although some will definitely tell you not to buy "gimmick" coins.

Every coin has a history in my opinions, old or new. They will all change hands, be passed down, run over, found in the dirt, be kept pristine for hundreds of years, etc.

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Honestly the best way is probably just to ignore them. You aren't likely to change the opinion of people who are that misinformed, and people like that forget that there's always better collections than their own that could say the same thing about them


As is often the case, basebal21 sums up my feelings quite well.

I asked CCF what I should collect as a first album. As a newbie on a limited budget, many suggested Jefferson nickels. I took that to heart, but I also noticed the lack of interest in the coin across the forums. So, I have set out to learn more about this coin and put together an awesome set.

It really depends on how much you want to spend. If you want to own the very best of every Jefferson nickel, including varieties, you're gonna have to cough up some major dough. If you want that for LWCs, that's even more money! Those are both relatively common modern coins that many start their collections with.

Perspective is key. As basebal21 pointed out, there will always be someone better. That's something I learned early in music competition.
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Here is why I collect moderns
· It is a good beginners place to start
· They are budget friendly
· Accomplishment in completing a date/mm set in MS
· Even though they are everyday coins it becomes quite an impressive collection when you get so far in
· I enjoy the hunt of buying below guide prices
· There are so many avenues with varieties and error coins
· My wife would kill me if I collected what I wanted to - Roman Coins!
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So I was just wondering what do you think is the best way to respond to detractors and snobs who dismiss such interests...
As indicated by others, just walk away. Your energy is better spent working on your collection.
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It's modern now but when I pass it to my kids and grandkids, it wouldn't be consider modern then. Patience is a virtue.
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It's modern now but when I pass it to my kids and grandkids, it wouldn't be consider modern then. Patience is a virtue.
A nice way to look at it.
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@ cladking. So it's basically based on a 50+ year old grudge? Are you saying that the problem people have is not so much with the coins themselves, but rather with what the coins represent to them? (Debasement, mass produced (common), started during a time when coin shortages were blamed on coin collectors.)Well let's break that down, shall we? Debasement: Nickel 3 and 5 cent pieces were debased versions of silver trimes and Half Dimes, yet classic collectors still like them. Plus the mint still makes silver proof dimes, quarters and half dollars, as well as gold, silver, platinum and starting just recently palladium bullion coins and gold and silver commemorative coins. So it isn't about debasement. Maybe it's the fact that they're mass produced (common): Mercury dimes, Indian Head cents, Buffalo nickels and Morgan dollars are all extremely common in the coin market as a whole, and yet again, classic collectors love them. So it isn't that either. Sure the mint treated collectors less than fairly when clad coins started. But shouldn't that cause distain for the mint of the time, and not with the coins themselves. Plus the mint eventually admitted they were wrong. In recent years the mint has been very collector friendly. The only two complaints I could see is the cost that the mint charges for some coins is a little high and the fact that in some years the mint makes too many types of coins at a time. That last one is a good thing because they're offering people different options to choose from. It's only bad if you're an obsessive compulsive completist or you're extremely indecisive. It could be because of the designs, which is perfectly fine. After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I will say however, that when you take into account all of the state, territorial, and America the Beautiful Quarters, the Lincoln bicentennial cents of 2009, the Westward journey nickels of '04 and '05, the Sacagawea and Native American dollars, the Presidential dollars, the first spouse $10 gold coins, the different reverse designs of the platinum eagles and the different commemorative designs, that there's been more diversity in coin designs from the U.S. mint in the last 19 years than in their first 205 years combined.
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It's modern now but when I pass it to my kids and grandkids, it wouldn't be consider modern then.


Exactly, some people forget that every coin was a modern at one point.


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So it's basically based on a 50+ year old grudge?


For a lot of older collectors it is, for whatever reason a portion of collectors don't consider clad coins to be coins. Some are just bias against newer coins as well which is fine, but there are people who think only gold and silver is money.

Younger collectors just consider them to be coins while some older collectors look down on them.


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Debasement: Nickel 3 and 5 cent pieces were debased versions of silver trimes and Half Dimes, yet classic collectors still like them.


The 3 cent nickel is honestly probably the least popular series of any classic coin
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Well, the large copper cents were debased to small copper nickel cents and the Half Dime was debased to the nickel five cent piece. Most collectors, even traditionalists like small cents. And you can't deny the popularity of the Buffalo nickel. Shield nickels? Well ok, to most people it's probably not as attractive as some other coins. The Liberty Head nickel is fairly popular though. Maybe not Morgan dollar popular, but still popular. And yes, clad coins are money. Copper and nickel may not have the scarcity or value of gold and silver, but it's still based on a fixed supply and intrinsic value. If we replaced our quarters with silver ones would prices for everyday items drop, or would the quarters essentially just become three dollar silver pieces? That might be a stupid question, but I'm genuinely curious.
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