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Is It Possible To Have A Worn Proof?

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I have what might be a modern proof I got from a coin roll. Compared to my MS-65 circulation strike 1971-S to this new one, the new one shows incredibly sharper detail identical to the proof version of the 1971-S. The only problem? It's BN. Is it possible for a proof penny to have circulated (without sustaining significant damage) have it's proof mirror coating to have worn off or lost its luster? Thanks!
I'll upload pic's when I get home around 4 PST today!
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Yes it is possible,it is called an impaired proof. Will wait for pics.
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Lookin' forward to seeing that impaired proof @GC!
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It's actually not uncommon- proofs get released all the time, and often circulate for a bit before someone with a sharp eye catches them.
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Yep, that's possible. Sometimes, proof coins will get released into circulation for awhile before being pulled out of circulation. This is called an impaired proof.
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To receive enough wear to remove all of its mirrored surfaces it would probably grade F-12 or lower.
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Here's the catch overall. If it is an impaired proof it's going to be the first of it's kind. It has NO mink mark, which would be a completely new variety. What would be amazing is if we had 2 no-s varieties for the same year. What do you guys and gal's think? Pics are coming in an hr.
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Think it's a BS. You said the mirror fields were worn off, I've seen many Impaired proofs, really damaged and scuffed ones, the mirror finish is still VERY obvious. You probably have a nice early die state coin. Proofs also don't really "turn" brown, that patina is associated with a rougher finish. The theory is that the porous surface caused by an unpolished die for the Business strikes is the factor. A polished field of a proof, then being twice struck, compacts the metal more closely keeping contaminants from "hanging around" and having the same effect as a progressive discoloration.

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I think this may be a business strike from your description. The thing that makes me suspicious is the lack of mirror-like fields. But I'm still looking forward to pictures. Please make your pictures clear, and crop them to show only the coin. This helps us get a closer look at the surfaces.


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Pass that SilverDollar.
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If there's no mintmark, there's practically no way it can be a proof (if there was a no S variety, it probably would have been discovered long ago). When I answered earlier, it sounded like you had a 1971-S, which could likely be a proof. It sounds now that it's just a well-struck business strike.
I'm still looking forward to photos, though.
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Here's an example of a circulated Proof coin - a British 1927 halfcrown, mintage 15,000. This specimen would barely make a F grade in the UK.

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The pics really do suck....
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Looks like a regular business strike to me,
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