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Most Likely Fake? Northern Song Dynasty 1102-1106Ad

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 Posted 05/05/2018  8:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bartlebee to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Well I got this in a lot of supposed ancient Chinese coins a while back. I really like it and I have actually been carrying it around as a good luck token. Took some minor research but it appears to be a Northern Song Dynasty cast in 1102-1106 by Emperor Hui Zong (1101-1125).
According to : http://primaltrek.com/flowerhole.html

It does match the size and weight listed on the site above. 35mm diameter, 9.48 grams. Not really sure if its real or not, like I said its more of a good luck token to me.

Anyone able to tell for sure by these pictures?



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05/05/2018 8:57 pm
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 Posted 05/05/2018  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Chinese are masters in the "aging" of their reproductions, but the green deposits present don't look artificial. I'm hard pressed to see the additional marks in the center hole of your example, but I also don't see anything that screams "fake" either.

I'm not sure I'd use any possibly 900 year old coin as a "lucky" pocket piece.

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 Posted 05/05/2018  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bd251 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have two of these which I asked about around a year ago.
http://goccf.com/t/287056.
That's about as much as I can help, sorry.
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 Posted 05/05/2018  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bartlebee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you both. I think I will leave it at home from now on in case it is real.
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 Posted 05/05/2018  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Northern Song dynasty coins are extremely common. In bulk you can get (real) ones for 30-50 cents each. That neither proves nor disproves that they are fake, but if it was fake it is is not a great loss.
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 Posted 05/05/2018  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not an expert but:

- Looks real to me
- That green stuff diminishes its resale value significantly
- Not that it had much in the first place
- BTW, it's not a flower hole
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 Posted 05/05/2018  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
,
Genuine cash coins were made in truly industrial quantities.
That is one reason why I collect them. They are cheap.

40 years ago, I bought about 150 of them, out of perhaps 1000, for 20 cents each. I tried to get as many different types as possible. With the minimal knowledge I had at the time, I had no idea if they were genuine or not, but for the price, I didn't really care.
They all turned out to be genuine.
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 Posted 05/06/2018  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
hat green stuff diminishes its resale value significantly

Well, from the opinions expressed her as to the value and availability of unimpaired examples, I guess there'd be no harm in using this one as a "lucky" pocket piece after all.

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 Posted 05/06/2018  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bartlebee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perfect. I got use to having it all the time anyways. Always fun to think about who had it and bought what with it.
Thanks Everyone.
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I believe it is completely genuine. Even so, it is worth only $5-10, so keep using it as a pocket piece if you wish! :)
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 Posted 05/06/2018  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
That green stuff diminishes its resale value significantly


Since it is not covering up any of the characters, the value is not hurt at all.
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