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Coop, that was awesome and very informative! Thank you for sharing!
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I don't like to toss a number around when I can't remember exactly what it is, but I'm positive I've read somewhere the mint knows exactly how many of these '55s are minted and that number is included in whatever I read, wherever that is..

I can say your guesstimation is durn close, Coop..

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The mint on keeps track of the total number struck and the total number of dies. As far as how many coins were struck by the individual dies, as far as I know, they don't keep track of that. Like the number of large and small dates coins, they are counted together in the total for the year. So, they don't keep track of the individual dies numbers of coins. When people mention a number it is speculation. I was figuring from die wear when the examples missing in the later die state, the the die was taken out of production. I.E: The 1969-S DDOs are all in the VEDS die state, so there numbers would be less than 12,000. But because we find a lot less than that being found, I figure more likely less than 100 examples. Just knowing how few are graded. Hope this helps.
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Now I need to go find the article / story, lol..

What I saw didn't have to do with the die's prodouction per se, it had to do with that day's production.. They knew they had a doubleddie on their hands.. What to do about them..? That question got passed up the chain of command.. A decision was made: Release them because enough were minted it won't make a difference.. (*Famous Last Words #1,476*)

Hey -- I didn't write it; I'm merely repeating what I read..

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Die wear on RPMs are also an issue. They can get out of shape by just the die wear. Well the die wear on that area is SE. So look for those sides to be affected the most. I've prepared a few for discussion. some of the more interesting ones. But I will add more later on when I can add to them. But this will help you get the idea that the die wear also affects these areas and you can tell the later die states by the less of the RPM that shows.
1910-S RPM-001:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1925-S RPM-001, FS-501
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1938-D RPM-001:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1943-D 1c RPM-001, FS-501
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1944-D RPM-002, FS-502:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1949-D DDO-001:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1950-S RPM-004, FS-004:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1954-D 1c DDO-001, FS-501
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1959-D PRM-009:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1960-D RPM-002
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1960-D RPM-023 EAST:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1970-D RPM-004. FS-004:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
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Good stuff !

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Great stuff and good information Coop!
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thanks for all do doing for the hobby.
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A superb story told through these pics--continued great work @coop!
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coop- If you're not being paid for all this research and documentation you should be. And if you are being paid, it's not enough! !
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A superb story told through these pics--continued great work @coop!


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I think I'm going to stop added to this thread. I could do more information on class 2 doubled dies how die wear affects them. But that will probably be another day.
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Thank you for taking the time to share so much info like this. I appreciate it!!
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Where are you getting your information from Coop? Your numbers sounded a bit high to me so I googled it and immediately found this article on PCGS' official website which states that about 20,000-40,000 examples were struck from a single die pairing with about 10,000-15,000 surviving examples known to exist across all grades.



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Source link below...

https://www.PCGS.com/news/the-1955-...-performance
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That is their estimate. I go with what I see on the dies. Only a small percentage of the examples from their site have the die scratches they hold so dear. Some of the coins we in LDS beginning die state. That tells me more than a quote. I go by what I see and read from the coins themselves.
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