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1946 Penny Error On 4?

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The four appears odd even disregarding the PMD corroded flake or chip.


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 Posted 06/09/2018  06:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ramjethero to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PMD, the four took a hit from something.
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I agree that the number 4 took a hit, which partly split the right arm. @TBR, is that the area of the 4 that you were looking at or was there something else which caught your eye?
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It's Post Strike Damage (happened after it left the U.S. Mint). You can see the pushed and flattened metal.
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That may even be a die crack? We might see other examples if we looked around a bit.
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He might be referencing how small it looks. Bit smaller than modern 4s.


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Sorry, I was referring to other examples of 1946 plain cents with a die crack on the date. A larger image of this coin might complete the story?
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I was referring to the right tail or whatever you call it. It seemed much wider than most to me. I thought maybe there was a die chip above the normal tail. I tried to take a photo of it tilted up a bit and added another 1946 photo in a similar position for comparison. In the process I think I did get a better picture of what is going on. Here is the new combined photo, to which I added red lines to compare the widths of the tails.

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That was a major accomplishment for me. I've been wondering how to combine photos with paint for a long time.

What I now think is that the surface on the tail of the 4 bubbled up. You can see where that happened to two other spots on the same penny.

What I am not sure of,

is if the tail on the penny in question was wider to begin with or not,

or if maybe there was a die chip above a normal tail, making it appear wider,

or if the apparent additional width is due entirely to the bubbling or pealing surface.

Thanks for your patience. I am surely learning a lot while making a lot of mistakes.
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It's looking more and more like a chip to me..

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PS: Good job on the photo(s) re-do and side-by-side..
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Well, you sure did a great job with this. It is much clearer now. I still am of the opinion that it is only PMD, but others may have differing opinions.
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I think it's the result of a hit as well.



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Nice pics the second time around.

Look at the numbers 9 and 4. Both appear to have taken a hit that sheered and flattened them -- note striations on their present surfaces. The excess copper to the 4's right appears to be what was top edge of the 4's crossarm that was relocated and pressed down by the hit
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The excess copper to the 4's right appears to be what was top edge of the 4's crossarm that was relocated and pressed down by the hit
You know, now that I take another look I'm thinking the same thing except it's the 4's vertical top half right side that's sheared & pressed down.. I missed seeing the thinning to the upper-half right side compared against the lower of the vertical earlier..

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That could very well be and seems a lot more logical than my supposition of it being the crossarm metal.

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Definitely appears to be PMD to me.
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