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I was pretty upset to find the coin I bought on ebay (7 day return policy, though) from a supposedly 'reputable' seller on heritage. Why? It was in a NCS au details slab while the seller listed it as unc. he had altered the picture somewhat. The seller profusely denied this and said it was probably a coin show, but I've found at least six coins he's bought on heritage and sold on ebay (and could find a lot more). This includes one that was listed ONE day after the item ended on heritage. So what do you think of this guy? ( Roberta3303) Liar or plausible? I personally think his story is POSSIBLE but the chance of it being true is almost nothing. The turn around times for buy/sell were also fairly short. I told him I'd leave him alone if he just admitted this and refunded me right now, but I think now I'm going to leave him a negative if he doesn't fess up. Nothing wrong with buying on heritage, just doing this. I can tell either by the cert #'s or with a raw coin from the marks. He denied buying on heritage when it is very clear that he does (especially with the one he listed 1 day after he bought it (before he even received it, most likely) so that makes him seem even less credible. Now, I'm thinking of getting this fool outed. -GO |
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Lol, I also found his 1918/7-S on there fresh out of a NCS XF details slab. The chance of someone being dumb enough to buy a cleaned coin for the market price of 10k plus and then sell it for 7700 is pretty darn small.
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I didn't get seriously burned on the merc dime he sold me before or whatever, I can't really detect the cleaning so whatever is done is pretty minor, probably got about market value for it. I'm just annoyed at the way this guy does this stuff. But I did learn a good lesson today, always check heritage before you buy on ebay... Unless, that is, the coin is certified. Edited by coinguybrian
07/02/2008 11:35 pm
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Can you post the link to the auction and to the heritage one?
I remember seeing their items for sale and remembering that they were cleaned and or polished.
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I'll post a link to about five of them, just give me a second. I can't stand people pulling this garbage so I'm going to really let him have it if he won't cooperate.
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Is this person even making any money buying the coins on Heritage and then selling on ebay? I wouldn't think you'd break even. Could you be clearer about what exactly you don't like? I think it is perfectly fine for someone to buy something and sell it elsewhere to make a buck. What is it exactly that you think this person is doing that is shady? |
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Excuse me, mycrob, but are you kidding?
Taking a coin from a slab labeled 'F-12 cleaned' and then marketing it as 'fine-very fine' and 'problem-free' presents no problems for you?
Thanks for pointing out this seller Shadow, they are on my list.
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I agree with halfabuster-----no ethics at all. On the other hand he lost money on the 1910-s Lincoln.
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Exactly, Habib. With the next message he finally admitted it, but in the same condescending tone. Offering me a full refund on all items I bought from him. He's definitely scared I will out his little operation: "If you are unhappy with the merc please send it back for refund it also sold for less than I can get at any coin shop in the country..I sell no reserve and if it is a slow nite when your item ends you lose money..other times items bring more than you expect...also it is not a scam or unethical to crack a coin out of a holder it is done all the time and the reason it is done is because the person who cracks out the coin believes that the grading is wrong as grading is only someone's opinion it is not the law. I can see that you are just starting out with coins and I looked at a the few items you have bot on ebay and I mean no insult..but the coins you bot from me are by far the stars of your portfolio..I am one of the few sellers on ebay who sells for no reserve and gives 100% money back if not satisfied..so you really have nothing to complain about just return anything you don't like for any reason and I will refund your money..try doing that with the other items you bot on ebay! I don't want to argue or cause bad feelings with anyone...Coins are alot fun but I would like to give you some friendly advice don't worry about what where the coin came from or what the person paid for it just look at the coin and decide for yourself if it is for you or not..is it a good buy or not..can I get more for it or not..People buy a coin because they believe that they are smarter than the guy selling it or he has it priced wrong or graded incorrectly thats what makes a coin market possible, Ok Brian ..please send back anything you bot from me and I will refund your money...Thanks Bob ps. look at the 10-s lincoln and you can see I lost over $50 on it the guy who bot that coin is smarter than me!" |
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A very nice bit of investigative work--you're doing everyone a favor!  I looked at a few...calling that 1807 half problem free is nothing short of fraud.  Obviously, he couldn't re-use the Heritage photo with those nasty gouges--that would cut into his "paper thin margin" |
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Now I'm getting him cussing me out, because I asked that he refund all my money plus give me a little extra for wasting so much of my time. I told him if he doesn't cooperate and reimburse me for the coins (which aren't that bad, actually, he really does have paper thin margins) and my time, then I'm going to tell every one of his buyers that they're buying from someone who does this and leave him a negative (he has 100% positive, so this will hurt). One of them is PCGS, and I got it for about the price he got it, but I want to return it if I can because this guy is a jerk. Well, the ball has been in his court, and he hit it wayyyyy out. Here's his message, rude words edited out: I can see you are an ______ just send back the coins you will get refund for what you paid minus postage not a penny more if you don't like it tell ebay you bot coins from me and did not like them so you sent them back and I refunded your money... Don't try and threaten me with negative feedback because #1.. I don't care about your feedback ..#2you can't leave feedback for a returned item and #3 anyone who looks at your history and sees the ____ you buy will also know that you are an ______..the only coins you bot that are not ____ are mine and please rush them back so I can get more money for them ...you have also been barred from bidding on any of my auctions but you are such a keen astute numismatist that I am sure you won't want to.. Insulting my buying history? Why, that makes you seem totally inconspicuous! |
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You've taken it a bit too far. Just take your money back, leave a negative if you can, and continue to make as many people as possible (including ebay) aware of his 'sales techniques.' No need to goad him any further, I think. |
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 Once this has been correctly brought to everyone's attention there really is no need to drag it in the mud |
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Asking for MORE than your money back or you will leave a negative verges on the edge of feedback blackmail. Be happy you caught on to what he was doing and are able to get your money back. |
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HABIB: I don't appreciate you jumping down on me. I'm trying to understand what is that Shadow has a problem with so I can become more educated. Yes I do have a problem with unethical behavior. I also have a problem with YOU not taking the time to be patient and describe the unethical behavior in detail so that others can learn something. I was asking for a clear description of what the problem was exactly. On the 1807 Bust, I tried the Heritage link and I could not get a blow up of the coin, so I could not verify the coin was or was not the same as the one sold on ebay. The 10-S cent was exactly the same coin in same holder- no fraud there that I could see. I had the same problem with the other coins-links to Heritage auctions worked but I could not get blow-ups of coins to compare to the ebay auctions. I guess the problem is, as I'm trying to understand this piecemeal from links that don't work, that the seller cracked coins out and tried to sell the exact same coins raw at higher inflated grades, hoping to make more money that way? And a subset of these coins were labeled in the holders as problem coins (cleaned, details, etc) and the seller is knowingly not mentioning the problems? Yes, I think that is unethical. Shadow: I'm sorry for your troubles with that seller and hope you get your money back. |
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Posted 07/02/2008 11:26 pm
