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1909 S Or 1919 S (Lwc). Worn And Can't Tell.

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Please give me your opinion on this Wheat penny. In some ways it looks like a 1909 S and some angles a 1919 S. The penny is pretty worn and never been cleaned. The rim is pretty beat up so I don't know if it is the VDB version. Or it might be a normal 1909 S.Please give me your opinion.
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VDB on shoulder? Wide rims? Overlay to see if space is correct. Check for known MM locations.
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That last picture sure does look like smashed/flattened 0
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I'm thinking that it's from 1919. Although, it's one heck of a tough call though, since it's very worn down from circulation.
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I think it has it on the shoulder. Please look at pic. Also, is this oldie even sellable?
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The definitive diagnostic is your observations of Lincoln obverse bust at the shoulder ... there should be remnants of the designer initials there if this is a 1919 dated coin.

Those initial will not have worn away at this level of circulation wear.

What do you see?
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After enhancing and reducing the photo supplied,
It looks like a 1909 no VDB to me, or it could
just be my imagination..
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If that's the right shoulder, it's 1919. Sorry.
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V.D.B. on shoulder should narrow it down. Overall pretty rough shape. Thanks, Doug.
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Here are some additional pics of the bust. I don't see anything that resembles the designers initials. Maybe you do!
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Thanks for the new pictures Chavez.
I can't see any sign of the initials either.
Also not having the DBV initials is not an indicator as there
were more 1909S cents minted without them than there were.
with them.
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I see them.... this is a 1919-S
Another factor is that the distance between the nines is less on a 1919 than on a 1909
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I'm with '19-S all the way.
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1919 just doesn't make sense after looking at the pics. How does a "1" transform into a circle? And yeah, drawing VDB looks like it fits but damage can look strange - what's that word? PAREIDLIA? Just throwing it out there - don't kill the messenger!


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Dang. Oh well. I just went through 30 rolls of wheat pennies from my inlaws and found another 1909 penny. Its in somewhat better condition. I don't see the initials on the shoulder as well. Maybe you coin scientists can locate it like NSS-52
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Mark, look at the distance between the nines in the date.
The subject has the narrower distance, just like a 1919.
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