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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks real. But a cull coin. Value would be a lot less than a normal coin for that year.
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The die orientation is wrong for that coin ... and for all US Mint coins.
To see the reverse upright for a US coin you have to flip from top to bottom, NOT side to side.
Question is, is it a Mint error or a fake.
In that condition I think it'll take a pro to tell.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It is like all US coins. Normal rotation. Check it with a cent in your pocket. (Unless you live in Canada) |
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My first thought was orientation was normal, but after a second look see its not. More food for thought is the old custom of placing a coin inside of or over a doorway comes to mind every time I see an old coin with a hole. Thanks, Doug. http://goccf.com/t/61487 |
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Die rotation in that era is not all that uncommon - dies were held in place with a set screw (modern dies have a machined keyway). It needs to be at least 45 degrees, often 90 to have any value.
It also occurred that they were simply setup 180 wrong. There was an run of 1861 3 cent silvers that were erroneously medal alignment instead of coin alignment.
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It is a 180 degree rotated die. Not common but it happens enough that there's no real rarity either. The coin is in pretty bad shape - it's only real value is that it belonged to your grandfather.
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 it is a mint error( die rotation), but too bad the coin is not in better condition. |
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That's still a very interesting piece to own though. It does have a Die Rotation, but because of its condition, it's not worth that much.
Errers and Varietys.
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Oh, I get it now. I thought the hole was at the top. (That is where they are, like always) It is a rotated die. Too bad the rest of the coin is in such bad shape.
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thanks for you responses.
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Bedrock of the Community
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You're very welcome and no problem! Definitely an interesting piece of history.
Errers and Varietys.
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It needs to be at least 45 degrees, often 90 to have any value. That's new news to me. I've got an IHC that's somewhere in the 45-65 rotation. |
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Quote:That's new news to me. I've got an IHC that's somewhere in the 45-65 rotation. I agree, although the degree of rotation certainly dictates the value of this type error but I have sold several rotated die examples with even 15-20 degree rotation at the premium way above the face value! this is a popularly collected variety. |
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Estimate the 1865 cents rotation at 163° CW. Note: I still maybe directionally impaired. I generally have no problems with rotated coins, but due to the hole in one direction and the rotation in the other, kept me over thinking this one.  A nice rotated example and keepsake all the same. Thanks, Doug. |
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An Indian Head cent is a Classic coin, so I moved your post to the appropriate section for the proper attention. |
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