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Valued Member
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Good day everyone -
I recently purchased a bulk lot of 1937 Crowns and going through them I discovered two fakes. They were both very light to the touch and upon weighing came in at 20.7 grams and 20.0 grams.
Upon inspection one of them is quite obviously wrong, there is a bit of metal bubbling in the letters. The other is better but when you look at the surface it looks a bit porous. They are both non-magnetic and they also have a nice ding to them so maybe they have a much lower silver content than normal?
Anyway, just looking for suggestions on what to do with them. I'm pretty sure they are illegal to sell, should I just hand them over to some numismatists at a local Sydney show? Anybody in particular who studies fakes? I will try to post some photos of them later.
Cheers
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Chuck them in the bin
Watch your top knot
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Formerly nancyc
Australia
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maybe they have a much lower silver content than normal? They more likely have no silver in them at all. I have no suggestions as to what to do with them. life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Valued Member
Australia
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Moderator
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Give them some hard whacks with a hammer, then throw them in the trash.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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His and Hers matching keyrings?   |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Show us some pics and THEN throw them in the trash.  |
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Anybody in particular who studies fakes? Lots of us study fakes, and one consequence of this is the reporting of fakes on ebay. I see fakes there every day and sadly often from sellers with over a thousand good feedbacks, but only make the effort to report them when I feel it's worthwhile. Australian ebay are useless there but this forum has well placed people who can get things done. Your crowns at 70% of a real crown's weight should have been noticed very quickly, but apparently not in this case. The correct answer to your question is 'whatever you like'. (except misrepresenting it as something other than fake) If you are curious on the law here: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/le...1181/s9.htmlor here: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2018C00182Possession of Australian pre-decimal coinage known to be counterfeit, is only a crime if intent to commit fraud can be demonstrated. |
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Valued Member
 Australia
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Thanks for the detailed info CoinOS, I'm happy to share info on these for the purposes of anybody studying counterfeits. These two are indeed noticeably wrong on first inspection, apparently these have come from a hoard and the seller is happily replacing them. Hopefully these photos work, would these be contemporary counterfeits or something more recent? Cheers   |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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More recent I'd assume - I don't think they circulated enough to make faking them practical.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Personally I'd keep them as they are (though the keyring fob is a good idea). Then you can show them to novice collectors (or the grandkids) to teach them about spotting fakes (weight, surface, flaws etc).
BTW I study the crown and even without weighing them I can spot that they are fakes of the most common type; above the 7 they both have a disruption to the royal crown. The obverses are also from the same die (a ding on the kings cheek and a pit on the head behind the ear).
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Valued Member
Australia
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Thank you so much nealeffendi, that is great information on those two markers. Now that you've pointed them out they look quite obvious but I hadn't picked up on them. I did buy the bulk lot of Crowns to give to the kids when they are older, I guess they can each have one of these counterfeits to go with them!  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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hmmm their still very good counterfeits given that they are trying to just fool the layman into think they are silver, hate bulk lots for this reason. these type of fakes come up on ebay and auctions quite often (especially no numismatic site) |
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I study the crown and even without weighing them I can spot that they are fakes of the most common type; above the 7 they both have a disruption to the royal crown. Your powers of observation continue to astonish me. I just looked at a fake 37 crown in my possession and your marker is there. I'm impressed.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Education is the key
I would hold on to them and advise others based on what you have to avoid people buying fakes in the future
A photographic study of coin would help many avoid fake coin peril in the future
Cheers
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Posted 08/29/2018 11:30 pm
