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Yeah, I've never seen a coin date written like that. When the numbers weren't well ordered the coin was not produced with modern techniques.
The date looks like 1867, which might be possible but it looks newer or it was well preserved (or cleaned?). I don't have the background to read the text.
Guess: Some western "secret society" token?
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I've been looking at this awaiting replies. Three of those numerals resemble Arabic-Turkish, Malay-Persian but not that "6". The closest thing to that is Tibetan.
So what might be a date is written in a different hand that doesn't line up with reference book numerals.
Nothing I recognize.
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Edited by andyg
09/23/2018 10:20 am
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Now I realize that date is 1857. It's that (now) "5" that is not right according to reference books. It has an open top. And I now remember seeing that same figure confusing me on other coins long ago.
I stopped looking and gave up after being stumped by that numeral. So andyg deserves much credit for identifying this one.
Has anyone come up with any reference table of numerals that shows that unusual figure for the number 5? I have not after looking through my books.
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09/23/2018 11:56 am
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These pieces were I suspect made by someone who couldn't read Arabic - which may explain the odd numeral (I don't have a better suggestion!)
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I have an idea about that numeral 5. Look how the letter we know as "A" is written in different hands. Could be the numeral 5 was written in a different hand that just doesn't fit in the conventional reference books. This is very common on Chinese coins where Kann describes the characters that do not look alike as being "written in a different hand". Might be a rendition of the Arabic numeral for 5 that they came up with. There sure is no shortage of tables of numerals clearly showing the shapes of the numeral 5.  Just a thought- sure is an oddball Arabic numeral on the piece. |
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This dates back to the mid 1850s rebellion against the occupying French in Northern Algeria
After the surrender of Abd-el-Kadert and the subsequent defeat of his followers, the Governor General of Algeria minted a series of medals with Arabic legends which were widely distributed throughout the population.
This has led to their classification as propaganda medals. There are six medals in copper, though sometimes they appear with silver gilt and a smooth edge.
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Thanks very much for all your efforts I must admit I spent more years than I care to mention trying to find this coin. I also got to the point where the 3rd digit was not from any table of numbers for any country so I gave up. But thought one last try. Very much appreciated :) I just found one for sale and it appears the date specifically the 5 is incomplete . So it being broken is what has led to all the confusion
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09/25/2018 5:25 pm
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It seems quite similar to the "5" here, only reversed. A common error in hand-cut dies. The gouge near the end makes the opening look wider than it really is. There are errors in the legends as well.  Edited by Kushanshah
09/25/2018 8:47 pm
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