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1916 D Mercury Dime & 1894 Barber O Dime - Question On Next Steps

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Hi Folks,
My second post to Coin Community. I am amazed and pleased at the willingness of everyone to reply so thoughtfully to newbie Q&A. I am in possession of my dad's coins(he passed). After my novice and extensive review of 2 full suitcases, and some research, I have 2 dimes I'd like some thoughts on.
Questions:
1) Is it worth having these graded? I imagine they are real as they have been in a collection since the 1950s, I believe. Or do I keep them as is?
2)What is the value? Caveat - I have no intention of selling his collection off. I am just curious as to the value?
3) I have categorized the entire collection and have many proof and mints sets. I was never into coin collecting, but am a geologist by trade and like the precise aspect to coins. I'm interested in selling off his mints and proof - I am not interested in those, and instead buy my first coins - that I like. Is this reasonable to do?
4) I have a written list of the entire collection. I'll not post a picture of it here as it may not be the right forum, but I may so elsewhere so maybe someone can call out any gems that may be in the collection. Again thank you and I am excited to discover the world of coins. Sorry the images don't show up right side up. Was having trouble with that.

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 Posted 10/07/2018  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinguy1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for sharing, I'll be interested to hear what the professionals have to say on these, best of luck.
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 Posted 10/07/2018  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the Community! Sorry about the loss of your Dad.

Both of the dimes look genuine to me. The bad thing is that both have some damage. The 16-D is still worth a couple of hundred bucks even with the damage. The 94-O might bring 30 or 40$ on a good day.

The 16-D should be authenticated and in a TPG holder in case you or your heirs decide to eventually sell the coin. Raw 16-D dimes are hard to sell due to the counterfeit problem in this day and age. The 94-O is not worth slabbing.

Others may have a different opinion.


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 Posted 10/07/2018  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
on all counts. Shame about that gouge on the '16-D.



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A couple hundred? I'de give a couple hundred all day long for that coin. Looks to be some kind of 2 sided punch/cutting device as it is the same location and shape on both sides.
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I would send it in ANACS for authentication if you want to sell it in the future, but it would be VG genuine and damaged. Worth around $350 - $450 depending buyer.

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I took the liberty to rotate the coin to check the MM position, it look like die 1.
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Mark1959....

Try walking in to any coin shop (or coin show) with harshly damaged (cut, gouged, horribly scratched) KEY DATE coins and selling them across the counter.

Let me know how that goes for you.
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1) Is it worth having these graded?

You have to determine why you want to get them slabbed.

A modern mindset, likely from so many being on ebay and TPG (Third Party Grading coin grading systems) marketing department strategies, is that slabbing is the natural thing to do with any better coin.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Slabbing is an option. Some people who have put a lot of money into the systems will argue the point, but this is the reality of it. There is no coin that made with a "Must be slabbed or the world will cease to exist" label on it.

I am sure the TPGs revel in newbies not understanding this. And this is why a lot of junk slabs can be found where people waste 30.00 for a coin they can never recover their 30.00 from.

When to slab:
1. If you want to sell a better coin. A general rule of thumb being the coin is worth more than 150.00 will probably recoup the fees and give the seller a decent price. There are enough people who collect slabbed coins, so the price of slabs from a few of the more respected companies will bring in better profits.

2. You cannot determine if a coin is a fake.
- Here on CCF we have some people who can likely give you an expert opinion on this. When no one here can make a good determination, they will likely recommend it be slabbed. Check here first before spending your hard earned cash.

3. You want to know what grade a TPG would give it.
a. Posting decent pics here in our grading section will likely give you what you want. Look in the "You vs PCGS" etc threads and you will find our CCF family is pretty skilled knowing the systems' opinions.

b. Never think a coin, once slabbed and broken out, is guaranteed the same grade if it is resubmitted again! The TPGs openly claim their systems are subjective. No Virginia, Santa Clause does not exist.

c. You have to determine which TPG's experts are "more expert" than the other TPG's experts. Different companies grade different ways. This fact is well known, and often someone understanding the ins and outs will choose one company over another to get a better grade for a specific coin type.

4. You just like the looks of slabs.
- then go for it! A hobby is to be enjoyed. And if slabbing is something you like, then spend the extra money and enjoy them!

Oh, I had some slabbed when I re-entered the hobby 7 years ago b/c I wanted, if something should happen to me, for the family to think about the ones in the special plastic holders before just dumping them at a bank. Would I do it again? Probably not.

The fee was one, after understanding the whole system a lot better thanks to CCF and doing a lot of research, I now consider to have been an impulse spend on an exciting thing to do (nice way of saying waste). Now I look back and wish I had spent that money on a better coin instead, I could have inexpensive plastic slabs to put the coins in and labeled them myself. For me...not everyone... this is what I see as the best way to go.




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Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
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If you plan to keep them, don't slab them. If you plan to sell them, have NGC or PCGS slab them.

I personally have quite an attachment to the (few) coins I inherited and wouldn't sell them, but some people are not as sentimental as I...
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The barber still looks great though! If you want, just post a thread with a list of all the coins you inherited (not pics for all) and then request for the thread to be locked. We'll reach out to you through PM'ing you if there's anything really good or interesting. If you decide to do so post pics of toners or high grade coins (MS-66 and up for most series).

Thanks!

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Thank you all for the thoughtful comments. Interesting things to consider. I do plan on keeping these coins, and begin to build my own collection. Maybe I was putting to cart before the horse in some respects, asking about grading rather than reflecting about what my purpose is - which I would have to must simply be to learn, and find what interests me. I do find these dimes quite fascinating though. Thanks all.
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If you plan to keep them, don't slab them. If you plan to sell them, have NGC or PCGS slab them.

I personally have quite an attachment to the (few) coins I inherited and wouldn't sell them, but some people are not as sentimental as I...


I would personally still slab it, you never know if something could happen causing a need to sell plus the difference in offers heirs would get far outweighs the grading costs for things like the 16-D merc
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basebal21, that's a good point to consider as well.
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you never know if something could happen causing a need to sell plus the difference in offers heirs would get far outweighs the grading costs for things like the 16-D merc


OMG - also known as - "are you kidding me?"
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I would personally still slab it, you never know if something could happen causing a need to sell plus the difference in offers heirs would get far outweighs the grading costs for things like the 16-D merc


Verifiable fact shows a much different story. I did some homework and learned I have beenn mistaken thinking a slabbed coin automatically will sell for more. it looks like I fell for marketing hype in this case.

eBay sold AG 1916-D - slabbed vs. raw


PCGS AG3 - sold 479.99 subtract the least expensive slabbing fee and the seller got 479.00-22.00 (more for shipping but lets skip that) = 457.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-10C...047675.l2557

Raw AG - sold 500.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-10C...047675.l2557

Raw profit > Slabbed profit

eBay sold G 1916-D - slabbed vs. raw


PCGS G4 sold for 618.00 - subtract economy slabbing fee of 22.00 (forget shipping) =596.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-10-...047675.l2557

PCGS G4 CAC sold for 539.00 - subtract economy slabbing fee of 22.00 (forget shipping) = 517.00
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-10C...047675.l2557

Raw - Good - from APMEX - sold 780.21
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-Mer...AOSwAYZboR4B

Raw Profits > Slabbed profit.

Its not hard to find similar items.

Maybe more people are wising up by starting to look at the coins instead of the slab before buying?

Note: While there are some slabs in the sold listings which went for more money, I was surprised to learn (should have followed my own advice and researched this all out long ago) slabbing does not always guarantee higher profits. I wonder how universal this idea is/is not?
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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