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You have ASE's with Mint Marks and those without. Once removed from the monster box or TPG holder they are just bullion coins from who knows which mint. Just another TPG money making idea. |
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Quote:You have ASE's with Mint Marks and those without. Once removed from the monster box or TPG holder they are just bullion coins from who knows which mint. Which doesn't change the fact that it was struck at the mint is it labeled as being struck at. It is literally just labeling something for what it is |
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The Mints are the ones making the different versions not the TPGs Except that there are no "different versions" of the bullion ASEI understand what you are saying but I have heard more issues from newbies that think they bought a burnished W, P or S Mint ASE and can't find the mintmark. It just adds to the confusion. I guess you have to be an informed consumer/collector before buying any graded ASEHere's a perfect example...kinda misleading "Mintage of 79,640" which is ridiculously low for a bullion ASE BUT...that only refers to the Phily Mint...the 2015 ASE actually had 47 MILLION coins minted... https://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-P-Sil...!02771!US!-1Don't EVER take it out of that slab or try to cross it over.....  |
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Quote:Here's a perfect example...kinda misleading "Mintage of 79,640" which is ridiculously low for a bullion ASE BUT...that only refers to the Phily Mint. That is factually true though. I get that a lot of people don't like how premiums have developed for them but at the end of the day they are minted in different places which does make them different. As far as differences, I am not convinced they're aren't any. That said no one to date has been willing to put up the money buying enough unopened boxes to make the comparisons, after all the machines are different as are the facilities. At one point Morgans were all considered the same by date and MM until the VAM study happened. Will anyone ever do that for ASEs I do not know, but even if the differences are minuscule I have a hard time believing different facilities and machines are creating perfectly identical examples. |
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I guess the question is whether or not one cares which Mint branch produced one of the many millions of bullion ASE's.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Basebal21, I agree, I too believe there is NO Way the coins struck at Philly are to be compared to the quality of San Fran's. Remember the Early Morgan's were poor in the O minted coins, too close to the moisture from the water, They could NOT compare to the S minted coins,still by the water, just better equipment, and Pride in an undated more modern facility too................
there was a Very Remarkable difference...........
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What?  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Basebal21, I agree, I too believe there is NO Way the coins struck at Philly are to be compared to the quality of San Fran's. I do believe this. The FIOA came from a reason, there seemed to be a sense that something wasn't quite the same or just had a feeling type thing. Why else would they have submitted that |
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I'll rephrase the question: Quote:
Remember the Early Morgan's were poor in the O minted coins, too close to the moisture from the water... What? In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Pretty soon there will be a certification that a coin was minted in the left side of the mint -vs- the right side of the mint.
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. You don't have to believe they should have a premium or want to collect all of them but bashing the TPGs for being accurate and calling something exactly what it is is just silly. The Mints are the ones making the different versions not the TPGs I'm actually gonna have to agree with basebal21 on this. The TPG only grade within what they can confirm, so if the only difference between say, a 2016 W, and a 2016 S that we can currently pin point is this which box they come in, or whatever it is. I take it that they have to be able to confirm which mint the coin is from in order to slab it, which is why they get submitted in the government issued monster boxes, correct? This sounds more like something that should be questioned of the mint of why they would omit something as miniscule, yet convenient as the mint mark. |
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Quote:The TPG only grade within what they can confirm, so if the only difference between say, a 2016 W, and a 2016 S that we can currently pin point is this which box they come in, or whatever it is. You need to use the (W) rather than the "W" otherwise the confusion goes on. You CAN tell the difference between a 2016 W and a 2016 S just by looking at it Quote:
This sounds more like something that should be questioned of the mint of why they would omit something as miniscule, yet convenient as the mint mark The bullion ASE was (is) intended to be a silver bullion product. There was (is) no reason to have a mintmark just because some decided to turn it into a numismatic issue Edited by Foxwoods Man
11/21/2018 07:35 am
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I take it that they have to be able to confirm which mint the coin is from in order to slab it, which is why they get submitted in the government issued monster boxes, correct? Correct. They need mint sealed monster boxes to get the mint marks added to the label for the bullion ones. |
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Quote:Not worth spending a premium over bullion ASE value for. I tend to agree with this. As I recall, 1965-1967 coins (all without mint marks) were actually minted at all US mints at the time. I would not be surprised if they had minute differences but who really cares? |
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I tend to agree with this. As I recall, 1965-1967 coins (all without mint marks) were actually minted at all US mints at the time. I would not be surprised if they had minute differences but who really cares? There's been West Point cents before but it was found out after the fact. TONS of people would care if they were identified and they would have huge premiums |
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