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1891 Dime | Pattern Or Fake?

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 Posted 08/20/2008  9:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ManNSmkyRoom to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a 1891 Dime. I have researched and think it is a Barber dime. But they did not mint till 1892. Any help would be grand.

The scans are not the best. But the date is 1891.

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08/27/2008 08:24 am
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 Posted 08/20/2008  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sir Ferrari to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is for certain 1891 it is probably fake.

Are you sure it's not 1897? Bigger pics would help.
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 Posted 08/20/2008  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ManNSmkyRoom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sure it is 1891. In the scans it is hard to see, but to the eye it is clear. I am in the process of getting better ones. Some one told me earlier that if real it would be a pattern, only 2-3 know. Two being in the Smithsoian. How do I tell if real. Would it be made of silver?
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 Posted 08/20/2008  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We need a bigger picture, that reverse does not look right
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 Posted 08/21/2008  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ManNSmkyRoom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bigger

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 Posted 08/21/2008  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fake - sorry
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 Posted 09/02/2008  12:00 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. Cool conversation piece though.
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 Posted 09/03/2008  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would look for Barber dime patterns using google, I would not dismiss the possibility, though it is a long shot.
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 Posted 09/03/2008  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stan Devou to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This very well could be an error coin. They have been found years afterward with many rare errors. I would ask a few well known coin collectors about it and see what they think first. If they think it may actually be real I would send it off to one of the coin grading companies to see what they thing. I would suggest [URL="http://www.ngccoin.com/]NGC[/url]. also here is there address:
Numismatic Guaranty Corporation of America
P.O. Box 4776
Sarasota, FL 34230
1.800.NGC.COIN toll free
941.360.3990
941.360.2553 fax

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 Posted 09/03/2008  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stan Devou to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello everyone,

After a little more research I did find out some information stating that Charkes Barber had made some Dime, Quarter and half Dollar coins in 1891. According to the 2008 Red Book, pg 345, only two are known both at the Smithsonian.

I would send that to NGC as soon as possible. Worse case it is a fake, if not....

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Stan
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 Posted 09/03/2008  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is definitely a fake. There are only two known specimens of the 1891 pattern and they are both in the Smithsonian. Now there could be a slight chance that a third specimen did leave the mint, but a comparison of the reverse of the coin in question with the real pattern definitely shows that they don't match. First the coin in question and then the real pattern
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Easiest place to see the difference is in the shape of the right hand loop of the bow tying the wreath, the shape of the ara of the field between that bow and the leaves to their immediate right and the fact that the coin in question has a leaf coming from the wreath to the middle of the E in ONE. The genuine pattern does not have such a leaf. There are several other differences as well but those should be enough to prove it a fake. Actually pretty much the entire right hand side of the wreath is wrong. (It can't be an altered later date because the pattern and the regular issues have the same reverse, and does the Seated dime from 1860 on.) Don't waste your money sending off to one of the grading services. Or if you WANT to throw your money away, keep the coin, send me the thirty dollars and I'll be happy to tell you again that it's a fake. :)
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09/03/2008 11:44 am
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You can speculate all you want as to it being a "pattern" or "error", but that does not get around the simple fact that the design is wrong. There is still a slight possibility that it could be a contemporary counterfeit but no one will be able to tell from those pictures and a grading service will not tell you either- they will just deem it to be non-authentic with nothing more said(and take your money in the process).
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 Posted 09/03/2008  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
but I with Conder101 and biokemist6 - It's a fake.
But I do disagree with Conder101 - Send me the money, but I will unhappily tell you its a fake.
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 Posted 09/03/2008  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't look right to me either. Send it to me and I'll only charge $29 to call it a fake !

Sorry... couldn't resist.
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 Posted 09/03/2008  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ManNSmkyRoom......

Quote:
I have a 1891 Dime.


Sorry for the bad conclusion to the fake dime.......
Condor has certainly given you some expert advice......

But ............to CCF !!....

Do you have any other coins that you have question on ?
Hope to see ya on the boards again soon !.....
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 Posted 09/03/2008  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
have you weighed it? If the weight is correct, maybe it is at least made of silver and not completely worthless.
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