ASE Pinpoint Toning Spots

Not necessarily. I snet one in a few years ago with a 1.5 mm spot and it came back MS70. I was told by a local dealer who sends in monster boxes of ASEs to start looking at MS70 ASE slabs. He is convinced they just take 20% of them and slab then MS70. He polled other large dealers who said they get the same percentage from monster boxes. So I started looking at MS70 ASEs and found problems even including rim damage. I suspect the local dealer is correct.

That is when I really started studying the slabbing companies and found a lot more problems with slabbed coins as well. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I think at times their graders have natural fatigue after days of looking at coins and therefore are prone to error. After all (most of us believe) they are just human.
http://goccf.com/t/346174#2967242

After all the very existence of CAC stickers says something about slabbing also. Why does anyone need an expert to evaluate the work of an expert?

Basbeal - I won't go into it again. The discussion ended with you not believing what I said the former grader educated me on. I gave you his contact information so you could talk with him yourself and you refused. Anyone looking at past posts will know facts are not something you will are willing to take into account if they counter your personal prefernces.

The very rare single time you provided any "facts" at all was when you said your ideas came from the PCGS website.

You then used ad hominem attacks which, by definition totally discredits your validity on the subject as not factually based (personal desires driven by emotion).

The definition of as hominem is not debatable. So once again QED - look it up. You dug the hole and each time it only gets dug deeper.

Verifiable facts are never subject to desire.

CAC:
And if people need another expert to verify an expert, then marketing has done a great job. When will the number of verifications stop?

Make it and people will pay. Marketers know how to play the human need for "experts" and make good money on it whenever they can.
Twenty years from now:


BTW please note the distinct lack of personal attack on your character (no ad hominem). This is all just fact that can be verified with past discussions on this forum. Just like when I used to be teaching in a classroom, I felt no ill will towards anyone who failed to study facts when presented. Its another part of human nature not to want to see things which don't agree with what they FEEL are true.

@John


As far as CAC goes - no one is perfect. And grading graded grades can make the grade of error sometime, I am sure.

Wait until a CAC check sticker is accepted by the public - MACAC tried a few years ago and failed (prompted the above graphic by me). When the CACs become "ho-hum normal" then a MACAC concept could take off.

Marketer: "But how can you SLEEP at night not knowing if CAC did its job? For only 30.00 anf a priceless family heirloom, you too can KNOW with certainty!"

At what point is it pure snake oil?

Yes, lets please reply to the original question. I am wondering myself if toning spots do (or should) prevent an MS70 designation. If this item were reslabbed would it get the same designation?

If I were putting a lot into MS70 coins, I would seriously like to know.

Can't we all just get along...? And talk about "milk spots" do/will they cause a MS ASE to be downgraded? if resubmitted...Are they overlooked when grading? but how can that be when eye appeal is part of grading?..

We are all here to learn and there will always be folks that believe something "different".

Otherwise, I understand Basebal21's ire. Babbling untrue opinions as fact hurts everyone.

As to the spots, I'd guess there has been 1000 threads on that subject. Even the TPG's had problems with ASE clouding after encapsulation. But you need to see many dozens of 70's before you find such spotty monsters.

Buy the coin and don't always rely on the TPG. They get it right the VAST majority of the time.

TPG's do NOT cover milk spots