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TTerrier New Member Canada 22 Posts	Posted 07/07/2019 7:22 pm Here is the second attempt at deciphering a coin legend. This time I left out those nasty tuhgras - I don't think I can find a coin with less to figure out than this one. Transliteration from one language to another will always be subject to differing points of view, especially where one language has sounds not easily expressible in the other. Even for this simple coin I could quickly find three different versions of the sultan's transliterated name: Zeno.ru Bayezid David Collection Bayazid (a great website with lots of historical information and coins with legends written out!) Stephen Album Bayezit All three of these references have people who speak Arabic so I have no way to judge why they are different and which gives the most accurate pronunciation of the word. For my purposes I think I will use zeno.ru as it has by far the most reference coins to look at. One interesting fact about Bayezid is that he was captured by Timur (or Tamerlane as we know him in the west) in 1402 and held prisoner until he died in 1403. Edited by TTerrier 07/07/2019 11:35 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34428 Posts	Posted 07/07/2019 7:41 pm Nice work! My few Akces are from later, but if you happen to post one that is similar to one of mine, I'll add pics to that thread. Keep them coming! "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 07/07/2019 7:47 pm I've all but given up trying to translate these. Report this Post to the Staff
Kushanshah Pillar of the Community United States 1554 Posts	Posted 07/07/2019 9:29 pm If I understand it correctly, Bayezid is the usual English version and Bayezit is the Turkish name. The actual transliteration is b-a-i-z-i-d. I think it mostly boils down to which audience you are catering to. The first "i" functions as a consonant so it is rendered as "y". Since only long vowels are represented by Arabic letters, short "e" is added in the transcription to approximate the way the word is pronounced. The David Collection uses "a" rather than "e" for the unwritten short vowel but this leads to confusion with the letter alif (long "a"). I hope that made sense. P.S. Don't overlook the word sanat on the reverse between khallada mulkahu and the date. Edited by Kushanshah 07/07/2019 9:37 pm Report this Post to the Staff
TTerrier New Member Canada 22 Posts	Posted 07/07/2019 11:17 pm Thanks Kushanshah - I do have one more question - now that you point out the middle line on the reverse is actually the word "sanat" I think I can see where you get an s, but I really struggle to see an n or a t. When you look at this coin can you actually see "sanat" in the inscription or do you know it should be there and look for a legible part (in this case the "s") and have to assume that the rest of word is just poorly inscribed? Report this Post to the Staff
Kushanshah Pillar of the Community United States 1554 Posts	Posted 07/08/2019 01:04 am Quote: When you look at this coin can you actually see "sanat" in the inscription or do you know it should be there and look for a legible part (in this case the "s") and have to assume that the rest of word is just poorly inscribed? It's a little of both. It didn't really occur to me until I noticed the very right of what at first looked like a simple dividing line. "Sanat" is one of those words which tends to be quite stylized. At some periods (the Mughals are another) it is common words or tails of letters to be stretched across the field as dividing lines. It's a bit more obvious on this example from Zeno: https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=222193 Sometimes I think they may have done these things purposely, just to mess with us in the future! Edited by Kushanshah 07/08/2019 01:11 am Report this Post to the Staff
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