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1879 CC - Real Or Fake

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 Posted 07/26/2019  11:24 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add srh11293 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Came across this coin. PCGS ms63 packaging. But it just does not seem correct. Any comments?

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 Posted 07/26/2019  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Horribly cleaned and looks fake to me. I doubt if it is a genuine US Mint coin and also doubt that the slab is a genuine PCGS product.

Others may have a different opinion.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin-Flipper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tough one....i am no expert in detecting counterfeit but the date and the lips in comparison to a genuine coin look a bit off. If PCGS graded this without detecting it as a counterfeit than its pretty sad. If its yours, send it to NGC and advise them for the counterfeit possibility
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 Posted 07/26/2019  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is counterfiet. That model of PCGS slab is often faked.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin looks off. Slab font looks off. Due to the angle of the picture, it may not be conclusive, but the barcode does not read correctly either.
If you could get a better picture of the barcode, this evidence could be made conclusive.
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 Posted 07/26/2019  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't look genuine, must less MS.



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 Posted 07/26/2019  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srh11293 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it's not mine, but if it's real I would be interested in buying it. However, there are way too many red flags and the condition by far does not match MS63. Can't scan the bar code either.


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 Posted 07/26/2019  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectinsince65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is from PCGS website regarding the barcode on this coin

Verification of certification numbers on the PCGS Certification Database does not eliminate the risk of buying counterfeit and altered coins. Though uncommon, counterfeiters may also counterfeit PCGS grading inserts using actual certification numbers derived from public sources.

Run from this coin.
Always buy the coin and not the holder.
The image of this item is not MS 63 quality
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Save your money. I always take members advice from this community especially when dealing with counterfeit. Give yourself also credit for checking out the red-flags on the coin and welcome to the community! I am still inconclusive about it
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The photos are a bit dull and somewhat blurry but the formation of the letters especially on reverse look much more " fatter " on the detailing when comparing to an actual example from PCGS or NGC.

Run from it, I'm convinced it is fake. Beijing / Shanghai product
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thank you for your help. I'm running away...
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Here's an image of a genuine PCGS slab in about the same certification number range (the blacked-out parts are, of course, my doing). If you compare this to the holder pictured in this thread, there are some fairly obvious diagnostics for recognizing the latter as a fake -

1. Notice that there aren't the four locator posts/holes surrounding the coin.

2. See how the label fades out to white in the number/barcode area.

3. More recent PCGS slabs have the three distinct prongs holding the coin in place.

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This is a fake of the PCGA Gen 4.4 Holder (2005-2011) see here.https://www.PCGS.com/holders
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I agree with the upthread comments. This is a one-look counterfeit. The "CC" mint mark does not match style or location of any known 1879-CC Morgan.
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 Posted 07/31/2019  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James Hicks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing I can recommend you do is contact PCGS. They have people there to help you. You send them pictures and the info of the coin and they can tell you if it is real, or fake
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PCGS can tell you if it's likely a fake from a whole slab photo, there are some tells hidden in the holder that they do not divulge to keep the counterfeiters at bay. If you have not already watched my video posting on the subject, I'd suggest a watch, everyone that buys coins or bullion should see it too.

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