Old Counterfeit/Fake 1855 Seated Liberty

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coins92 Pillar of the Community United States 851 Posts	Posted 09/24/2019 9:04 pm Trying to understand this piece. Clearly a fake. I can bend with hand. But appears to be quite old. Any insight? Report this Post to the Staff

Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 09/24/2019 9:15 pm That's a very interesting counterfeit that should be of great interest to collectors of Liberty Seated coins, and I'm hopeful one of them will see this thread and reply. I'll be monitoring replies closely. Edited by Coinfrog 09/24/2019 9:18 pm Report this Post to the Staff
GrapeCollects Pillar of the Community United States 8938 Posts	Posted 09/24/2019 9:27 pm How much for it? This is the most interesting thing I've heard of. I know this should be limited to BST but seriously. Unless you plan to keep it, I really want it. Report this Post to the Staff
coins92 Pillar of the Community United States 851 Posts	Posted 09/24/2019 9:59 pm I mean I have no clue what a period counterfeit is worth? Report this Post to the Staff
coins92 Pillar of the Community United States 851 Posts	Posted 09/24/2019 10:13 pm Seems to be made out of a tin alloy. Report this Post to the Staff
GrapeCollects Pillar of the Community United States 8938 Posts	Posted 09/24/2019 10:14 pm I have no clue either, I don't typically collect fakes, but this just seems so cool. Some seated expert will see this and come along. Report this Post to the Staff
coins92 Pillar of the Community United States 851 Posts	Posted 09/24/2019 11:32 pm Also know it came from a collection of someone who pieced it together 40-50 years ago. Report this Post to the Staff
moxking Rest in Peace United States 17900 Posts	Posted 09/25/2019 12:45 am Is it heavy enough to be lead? If so it's probably poured. I agree that it's neat. I'm not thinking it's contemporary as it's too bad to pass. Report this Post to the Staff
coins92 Pillar of the Community United States 851 Posts	Posted 09/25/2019 01:24 am Not lead. Weighs less than a real seated liberty. Report this Post to the Staff
IndianGoldEagle Bedrock of the Community United States 36746 Posts	Posted 09/25/2019 10:31 am Could be pot metal that has been in the ground for many years. Report this Post to the Staff
coins92 Pillar of the Community United States 851 Posts	Posted 09/25/2019 5:24 pm Any value to this piece? Report this Post to the Staff
t360 Pillar of the Community United States 2703 Posts	Posted 09/25/2019 7:52 pm Looks similar to contemporary fakes of French ecus. These were often base metal with silver plating that lost the silvering over time. Report this Post to the Staff
fortcollins Pillar of the Community United States 3647 Posts	Posted 09/25/2019 9:44 pm The metal very likely is Sb (antimony). You may want to submit the photos to the Liberty Seated Collectors Club for their contemporary counterfeit archive. Contemporary counterfeits are collectible, and several well-known dealers have studied them for years. They may be good resources on running this one down for you. EDIT: A specific gravity test would confirm or rule out antimony very quickly. U.S. coin silver (.900 Ag, .100 Cu) is 10.34 +/- tolerance and specific gravity of elemental antimony is 6.74. Edited by fortcollins 09/25/2019 10:31 pm Report this Post to the Staff
muddyknuckles Valued Member United States 272 Posts	Posted 09/26/2019 8:33 pm Any chance there is any grading company that would do the required tests and slab it as a contemporary counterfeit? Report this Post to the Staff
steelheadwill Valued Member United States 57 Posts	Posted 10/24/2019 11:06 pm Comgrats coins92, Imo, your ccf is a more desirable find than the finest condition Dug 'Regal Issue'. I've been searching and researching a particular NH boatyard f or years, apparently the locals made up their own pocket change from GII ha'pennies right up to Shield nickels. Also found were two carefully made coin impressions in lead sheet. I often find cancelled (hammered, scored or holed) examples near the bridges enroute to the nearby towns Tollkeepers knew their coins, back then anyway Had a dozen examlpes xrf'ed a while back, all were a mix of tin, lead antimony, and other metals, one had almost 4% gold, go figure. Judging by the seemingly random alloys, they were made with whatever was on hand for scrap. Examples w lead as a minor constituent look quite similar to your recovery, was it recovered anywhere near salt water? (real or fake, that salt effects coin metal far from the shoreline) As with dug pewter buttons, they can be unstable after recovery, Sometimes ill paint em w slightly diluted white glue, without treatment, Ive had them literally turn to dust in storage here's a high tin GII (GLUED), for comparison. You just never know what you might dig up next, I just love detecting, and collecting, and learning Thanks for posting that beauty, millions of regals struck, with relatively few fakes. HH. Report this Post to the Staff
JJuliano Pillar of the Community United States 705 Posts	Posted 10/25/2019 07:54 am Just for my edification as a novice, can someone explain what they see(in the devices) as it being a counterfeit? Thanks. I see it being a metal detector find with heavy corrosion - which would explain a low weight. Edited by JJuliano 10/25/2019 07:57 am Report this Post to the Staff
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Old Fake 1855 Seated Liberty