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Curious As To The Actual Mechanics Of This - 115 2019-S Rp ASE's For Sale

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 Posted 12/03/2019  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I consider this a major success, I mostly had the "bullion" version of the ASE, this made me get the ERP and I picked up the S mint in proof as I was missing that. I'm not going to do the collection but if some wants to trade a 1995 W for the 2019 ERP I may consider it ;)

I agree that this was a success, just look at all the hype, even the TPG went out and created new products (like certification encapsulation) and people are still going crazy for this coin.
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I think whether you consider the release a debacle or great idea depends on whether you were able to get a coin or not.

Unfortunately we humans tend to let our emotions dictate "success" or "failure" unless we learn to keep our feelings in check. I was legitimately wronged by the system with the 2011 ASE set and was upset by the situation. But I still say that release in 2011 was a success b/c of the attention/interest it brought. A reverse proof ASE was still a BIG deal then.

From an emotionless and logical standpoint, this 2019 S ERP was a genius idea for the coin collecting community as a whole. The focus put onto coin collecting by this release, even by non-collectors (re-read that), has been a plus. Anytime the spotlight falls onto a hobby and brings it more attention is a good thing for the hobby.

Yes, non-collectors saw this as a financial opportunity that some people could take advantage of. Good for them. Everyone had the same chance since the only thing limiting coin acquisition was the randomness of the computers systems/internet connections while taking in the orders.

I don't blame ASE collectors for being upset at not getting one at issue price. But I also am not going to begrudge anyone who got the coin while having to play the ordering system the same way as everyone else had to. I also do not begrudge the mint for making such an event possible. While frustrating hitting that <resend> button all the time, there were winners who look back and say the experience was great and there are losers who hated the experience.

The mint has no obligations whatsoever to please just a certain group of people. They are a business. No matter what they do they will never be able to please everyone b/c we all let our emotions interfere too often with our logic.
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 Posted 12/03/2019  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There was no expense to anyone. No one has a right to get whatever they want for the price they want. It was a fun product that got people excited. Everyone that got one is absolutely thrilled and the product is still on fire.

We're simply going to have to disagree about this being done at the expense of loyal ASE collectors. I actually don't think it was intentional but rather incompetence in setting the 30k mintage. But if you're right and it was intentional, then it's a poor way to treat loyal customers. I obviously never said anyone had a right to the coin. Imagine if they only minted five. It would be so exciting.

Regarding the 9th Amendment, it talks about "other" rights, not similar rights. Like the 2nd Amendment, there's no need to interpret unless one is wanting to deny what it plainly says. It's funny (or perhaps sad) how some can find things that are not written in the Constitution and can't see what's plainly there.

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It's only sad how some people think they know everything and completely ignore over a 100 years of precedent from the courts and how something is actually treated.

Poor design selection is incompetence from the selection committees trying to make statements with designs. This was marketing genius and a calculated decisions like the w quarters
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It's only sad how some people think they know everything and completely ignore over a 100 years of precedent from the courts and how something is actually treated.

I don't know everything, but I can read plain English and don't require the crutch of unelected people in black robes telling me that it really means something that it doesn't say.

You might be on to something in regard to the marketing genius. The latest thing is for companies to crap on a portion of their current customers in order to generate attention and thereby attract new customers. Nike is a good example of this technique. If that was their intention, then mission accomplished.

I think that it's safe to say that we're not going to agree on this, but I am curious where you'd draw the line from marketing genius to a mintage being too low. 20k, 10k, 5k, 1k, 100, 10, 1? Can you imagine the controversary? If they limited it to 10, it would probably make the evening news!
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No point in continuing about that if real life law precedent doesn't matter to you.

They nailed it at 30k. Was low but not to low. Anything under 5/10k would likely be to low to get tons of excitement and start to seem more Canadian gimmicky. I don't see them going below 20/25k if they even ever go that low. They have to be careful not to go really low to often or it loses its specialness. If I were them I'd go 50-75k on the next "low mintage" one whenever that might be as they have to also be careful not to over due special finishes or people get bored of those too.

It was smart to do the 100k one before the 30k.
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