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Quote: frosted the wrong die Do you have any idea how improbable this is? It is not a mule of any sort.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
Edited by DBM 12/22/2019 11:11 pm
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No I do not, that is why I asked and said is it possible. I just assumed that if they can accidentally frost the reverse of a 2010 dime, why would it not be "possible" for this same thing to happen to a nickel... however way it was done. Which to a somewhat uneducated collector (like my self) would find to be an appropriate question since I did not know.
Edit: I would also like to add that I never said this was a mule, the whole mule talk was brought up by someone other than myself and I was simply adding it to the endless possibilities regarding this coin. I do not and would not want to claim something that is false or not proven just on a whim, but I will ask questions as that is what this forum is for is it not?... I'm sorry if my questions/answers annoy some or seem like dumb questions as that is not my intentions, but if I don't ask then I will never know and if you seen this coin in hand you MAY have a change of mind just like I did regarding if it were just simply damage or not. Pictures do not do this coin any justice and that is just my humble honest opinion.
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Edited by JohnWayne007 12/22/2019 11:29 pm
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For one thing they don't frost the entire die, only the devices, not the field.L Look at the cameo of a proof coin of the same era, you'll see the surfaces do not look at all like those shown in your pics.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
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That was another thing I did not cover yet, I had questions about that as well, I knew that proof dies had frosted devices and not fields and my question was going to be could a die have a frosted field mistakenly (another thing I do not know). This coin may not be a mule and I'm perfectly fine with that but it does have a frosted finish for whatever reason it may be and I just cant see how this happened after the mint, again damage does not add metal onto a coins surface, damage wont leave microscopic die chips all over a surface of a coin, acid and other chemicals that could eat at a coins surface would typically look dull, corroded and porous, so I'm just going to say I THINK something happened regarding the reverse die and I could totally be wrong but I wont learn if I don't ask.
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I should correct myself by mentioning a mule coin, the reason I said most mules are instantly news for it's discovery except for the 25 cent 1992 obverse and 1993 reverse, only 2 or 3 and the New Zealand dollar and 10 cent mules especially the ten cent version hardly ever mentioned. My opinion for what ever it's worth is this 5 cent is most likely environmental damage,
Edited by john100 12/23/2019 12:35 am
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Thank you for that john100, I just want everyone to know I do appreciate all opinions, I really have learned a lot from you guys (especially john100 & DBM) while I have been on this forum and I really hope my questions and comments don't offend anyone as I have a lot of respect for these guy's, but sometimes you just gotta ask so that you can better educate yourself which is what I am trying to do, no one claimed or implied this to be a mule but the word was thrown out there and I was simply going a long with the possibility, although I never thought it was in the first place as my questions are regarding the finish, not if it were a mule.
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Quote: I just assumed that if they can accidentally frost the reverse of a 2010 dime, why would it not be "possible" for this same thing to happen to a nickel The RCM did not accidentally frost anything... they grabbed the wrong die for specimen strike production (the 10c mule everyone is referring to, is the specimen reverse die paired with a proof-like obverse die). I see used/abused nickel dollars and 50c coins like this all the time (I go through tens of thousands nickel 50c and dollars per year). Nickel _can_ oxidize and produce a patina similar to frosting. It is also prone to etching, given the right conditions. It can also tone yellow, reddish and bluish, depending on the environmental conditions. Rainbow toning on nickel usually means it was touched by a torch or survived a fire. My point is, given the right conditions, this can be reproduced outside of the mint... My bet is that half the coin sat in a weak acid solution for some time, I probably could reproduce this using white vinegar and a few months of soaking one side only. Talcum powder blasting might also be another means to "frost" a nickel surface. It is highly improbable that the Winnipeg Minting facility processed and treated a working production die to strike a "accident or two". It is a cool conversation piece, nothing more...
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Quote: No idea as I am a US guy. What I CAN say is, please don't wipe coins with a q-tip or lint free cloth in that manner. Tap it, don't rub. You'll leave cleaning hairlines. I am a Canadian coin guy, and our coins are different. You would have to rub pretty darn hard (usually by dry rubbing) to do that to pure nickel, or nickel-plated coins... if your Q-tips are clean, and the coin is relatively clean, a gentle acetone wipe on a nickel surface is pretty safe.
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SPP-Ottawa, thank you for taking the time to read the posts and write an in depth reply, it is very appreciated. Your answers are exactly what I was looking for regarding this whole thing, there were things I simply did not know that your comments had a valid response to, not saying everyones comments were not valid but you took the time to go into detail and explain how things work regarding the mint and I respect your opinion.
Thank you all for the time, I will 2x2 it and keep it as a conversation piece and I will also take down the youtube video as I do not want it to mislead anyone into thinking they may have found a mule when in fact they did not, or any other scenario, the video served its purpose to show the CCF what I was looking at and is no longer needed.
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