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Dude has 100% feedback. A top seller etc. But this holder...


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-No-D-...fBN&LH_BIN=1
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 Posted 03/05/2020  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Check HumblePie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add HumblePie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was in the description. I was thinking it looked melted before reading it.



""The rubber insert inside the slab appears to have been placed in sunlight, melting the rubber slightly.

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The coin itself, with those fat rims, does not look natural in any way.
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 Posted 03/05/2020  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Check HumblePie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add HumblePie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's the plastic making the rim on the obverse look so weird. Just judging by how it makes the reverse rim look.
Very unusual looking coin, holder, and all. Makes me want it so bad.
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 Posted 03/05/2020  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The soft ring that holds the cent in the center looks to have melted and become deformed. For a second there I thought the cent was in a bezel.
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I missed that in the description. That is what it looks like, that it melted. Just that for it to have gotten to the temp needed to melt that, I'm shocked the outside plastic wasnt affected. I think the rims look like that because the rubber flowed over them. Regardless, not sure I would pay even 10 bucks for them until they went back to PCGS and they removed and reholdered them.
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"The rubber insert inside the slab appears to have been placed in sunlight, melting the rubber slightly.




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Just that for it to have gotten to the temp needed to melt that, I'm shocked the outside plastic wasn't affected.



Admittedly I do not know much about the materials used in these old slabs, but it seems a bit weird that a slabbed coin could not be exposed to sunlight without the rubber insert melting.



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Regardless, not sure I would pay even 10 bucks for them until they went back to PCGS and they removed and reholdered them.


As to sending it back to PCGS - I can understand why the seller would not want to waste the money. Breaking this out and selling it seems more logical. Maybe the seller thought, as our own CCF member HumblePie has evidenced, that the oddity of the slab would make it desirable?

Someone want to experiment with a blow torch and a slab to let us know id they can melt the rubber without the plastic being affected?

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I guess the moral of this story could be.

Always use sunscreen on your slabbed coins before taking them to the beach to lay out..?
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The seam in the melted rubber made me think the slab had been tampered with. With the 1922-no-D being such a common target for counterfeiting, I'd think it would be worth reholdering, if for no other reason than to help ensure its authenticity. (But then, look how many eBayers buy obvious fakes.)
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Don't leave slabs in your car on a hot day.
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It's an interesting look. It makes it look like the coin was poured through a hole from the side.
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Not for me ... if it's not worth a $12 reholder ($17 gets you the new NFC security chip) to the seller, I'll pass...
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This slab was used from around 1999 to 2004 (when they lost designation of the official grading service of the PNG). So this coin has been in its holder for at least 15-16 years.
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This one is a definitely an album candidate since the slab is toast.
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The seam in the melted rubber made me think the slab had been tampered with. With the 1922-no-D being such a common target for counterfeiting, I'd think it would be worth reholdering, if for no other reason than to help ensure its authenticity. (But then, look how many eBayers buy obvious fakes.)


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Not for me ... if it's not worth a $12 reholder ($17 gets you the new NFC security chip) to the seller, I'll pass...

+1 The only thing that slab should do to the value of that coin is lower it because it brings in to question the authenticity of the coin.
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He does have a return policy though.
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