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1994 LMC On Reverse Rim Edge Partial B Imprint. Any Ideas? Never Saw Before

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Hello. I can't find any subject matter on single letter imprints on any coin. This is on a 1994 Lincoln Memorial on the reverse rim edge just below and left of the O in one. At first I thought it might be a 3 partial imprint but it is too small. However, it fits the B in liberty perfectly. A friend said sometimes the coin comes out 'hot' and the rim could've shot onto the letter B in liberty and imprinted itself, but it would seem many more examples would be found. I can't seem to find any information on this Coins unusual error. Thanks for any help!
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@PT, first welcome to CCF. Second, that might be a dropped letter. We see them posted infrequently here.


Added: just to be clear, it looks like the partial letter is raised above the rest of the rim from these pics--can you please confirm this. If it is actually incuse (below the rim) then it is likely just a contact mark from another coin.
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Welcome to the forum.

Yes indeedie, lots of dropped letters and PMD from another coin being pressed into the rim. (Lots of letters look symmetrical top to bottom or left to right which can get confusing when trying to determine error or PMD.)

It looks like the letter is recessed (incuse).

Most (90% or higher?) on the rim turn out to be PMD.
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Very cool.
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PSD (Post Strike Damage).
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Has anyone tried to make one of these?
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Most likely PMD

I posted a 1995 -D a couple months back with rim letters in the same location as yours.

See here
http://goccf.com/t/371359

It does baffle me how this is created without damaging other parts of the coin so I am curious like Willburton if anyone knows how to "garage" manufacture these.
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Yes, it is recessed into the rim.
There is no other damage to the coin. It's as if it was pressed into the rim without scrape, warping or any signs of manipulation. I'm unsure as to which stage of process this could occur and how frequently.
Besides intrinsic value, would this have any added value or simply considered damage and a keepsake? What would one do with such a coin? I feel had to be from the mint in some stage as there is no damage of any sort otherwise or a reason I can preclude to why someone would create an aftermarket impression on a random '94 LMC in that location, although, not impossible. My curiosity rests with when could this happen at what stage.
Thank you, everyone for the warm welcome and insights!
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I did watch a complete (nearly 1 hour) video on every stage of production at the Philadelphia mint and there are several stages where a single coin becomes "trapped" in a bottom location while other coins pile upon the on edge coin very deep with what must be immense weight. When the coins are finally released, the "trapped" coin is still in the same location having to be plucked from its location. Usually at the very bottom against a side wall where the grate didn't quite meet the side. I'm guessing that with the right coin laying upon the rim it could feasibly create an impression as the coin can't move and under such weight. It's my only plausible theory so far.
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Yes, it is recessed into the rim.


Ok yes then most likely damage.
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I suspect this is an "8" and not a "B" because the trailing edges at the top and bottom of the device appear to begin a curve towards the center of the device.

It's small, but look at the top and bottom of the device and you can see a slight dip at the top and upswing at the bottom. Since the top and bottom of the "B" go straight back to the vertical portion of the letter it makes it more likely this is an "8".

Being an "8" makes it very unlikely to be a dropped letter (since there's no "8" on a 1994 LMC) and much more likely this is a a contact mark.

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Agreed, PMD. No premium.

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