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1838 Large Cent. Is This Worth Collecting?

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 Posted 08/26/2020  10:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been a coin collector for 55 years, however, I have never really ventured into the realm of Large Cents.

I have a small collection of coins that I have bought over the years for no other reason than they caught my eye.

I'm thinking of expanding into Large cents, but note they are really pricy.

So, I thought I would post one of my recent purchases and ask your opinion.

I bought it because it was about $15 and had areas of red showing through, which in my world of LWC does not really occure in grades less than XF...usually. I"m also told this year is known for weak strikes and worn dies.

On the other hand it has four tabs that were obviously soldered on for some reason and then cut. Perhaps a pendent?

So, what would it grade sans tabs, just to give me idea of what to look for, and what would it grade as is?

I'm all ears for any advice

Thanks!

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 Posted 08/26/2020  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Severely damaged coin, with areas of "red" just the results of an old cleaning. Not gradable in this condition.
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Thanks Coinfrog, but if someone had asked me to give a grade for a similar condition LWC...or just about any series I was familiar with, I would be able to give them a details grade, noting that the soldering makes it ungradeable on a straight grade.

Lol, I actually have an ANACS 1915 Buffalo that is "AG details, acid dipped, pourus surface, environmental damage"

I'm just trying to learn a new skill, but thank you for taking the time out to reply, I appreciate it!
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 Posted 08/26/2020  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Coinfrog. If this were sent to a TPG( not saying your going to) it would be bodybagged, more than likely " removed from pendant" and not assigned a details grade.

All that aside, I would call this VF Details, if I had to assign a grade for the sake of the post.
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 Posted 08/26/2020  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you TY2020b! I do appreciate the input. And no, I have no intentions on sending this in to a TPG.
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Putting aside the old cleaning and soldered tabs, I'd call it F details based on the amount of wear in the hair and on the wreath.
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 Posted 08/27/2020  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
also think F details. Large cents are fun to collect imo. Yes they can be pricey for the earliest ones but you can find decent coins that won't break the bank. I posted the same year coin as yours yesterday. If you didn't see that coin yet go check it out.
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Sharpness of a F-12 damaged net AG-3.
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Admittedly, and its just me, since its already damaged I would be tempted to go at it with some de-soldering braid. The surface is already altered so no loss IMO.
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My thoughts are that Large Cents are just a horrible set to attempt to ever complete. I normally have several of each type of coin and all in Albums. However, I made the mistake of attempting to start a Large Cent Album. It is a Whitman, year only Album yet really not to easy a set to complete. After many years still missing several. And many I do have are in horrible condition. If you look in the Red Book, you would see that there are about a zillion different ones of those things. To attempt to get one of each I'd have to sell my house and still never get them all.
Yours is just normal, horrible condition. Move on.
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 Posted 08/27/2020  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everybody for the advice.

Years ago I went to the Early Copper Convention when it was held in my home town.

Yes I saw problem free coins. I also saw holed coins, corroded/pitted coins, green coins and were told all were collectable to one degree or another.

I have seen a lot of coins come through my shop through the years and have at least one of each year through 1805. Most in Poor. One only through the reverse diagnostics. I didn't think completing a date set would be all that difficult if I was not too picky. It seems the better detailed coins I have, the more likely they are to have environmental damage. The "straight graded coins" would all seem to be in the VG to F range. Still I'm not looking to build a high grade set. Just one of each year.

I think it is doable.
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Quote:
My thoughts are that Large Cents are just a horrible set to attempt to ever complete


We all have different goals in collecting. Large Cents are my favorite series but I would never attempt to collect all years and all varieties.

My favorite part of collecting large cents is working to identify the large number of varieties and the huge differences in the attributes of the early years. The improvements in the minting process makes the later dates boring to me as the attribute differences are so minor and difficult to identify.

My goal ten years ago when I started collecting large cents was to have at least one error free example of every year except 1793, 1799, and 1804 but had to settle for some details coins.

The past couple of years I've been trying to buy error free coins in those years where I settled for details coins. It takes time but I'm getting close and the search is always the most fun in collecting. The Classis Head series 1808 - 1814 is a real challenge as so many were made from inferior copper and copper that got damaged on the trip across the Atlantic.

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