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 Posted 11/23/2008  3:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add steelie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all, new to the forum here. I've never been into coin collecting until I recently received a collection through inheritence - having a blast with it now! Here is one of the gems of the collection, I'm thinking about sending it out to get it graded. What do you think it will grade? Also, what if anything can or should be done to the spotting on the "UNITED STATES". Thanks.
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 Posted 11/23/2008  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the forums! That's a beautiful FE
I see some verdigris on UNITED STATES. I'm not sure what I would do about that...others here might have advice.
Btw, you might like to check out AMERICA in detail. If it's not MD, there might be something there. There are 10 DDOs for this year.

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 Posted 11/24/2008  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-63 or better, easily.
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 Posted 11/24/2008  02:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steelie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As for the DDO, it looks like it from one angle, not from another....that will have to be for the pros to decide I guess. What does MD stand for?

thanks
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 Posted 11/24/2008  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AuldFartte to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, to the Forums!!

That is one beautiful coin! I'm not great at grade guessing, but that looks like a 63-64 to me. As far as the spots on the lettering, try soaking the coin in acetone or xylene, and LIGHTLY working the areas with a soft camel's hair brush. If the stuff is organic, it should come right off.
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 Posted 11/24/2008  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think MD, but worth a closer look.
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 Posted 11/24/2008  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gawd0wns to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DON'T CLEAN IT. Cleaning will destroy the coin's value 99% if the time, because it often causes damage. Collectors love coins in their original condition.

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Did I mention, DON'T CLEAN IT.




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 Posted 11/24/2008  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stewart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Trying to grade from a photo is difficult at best, so having said that. I would go as far as MS65 because I see no
rubs on any high points also the reverse looks pristine the only problem I see in the verdigris on the obverse.
And I agree with the person above. Cleaning a coin is detrimental to the coin. Great Coin!
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 Posted 11/24/2008  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Steelie, and welcome.

I agree this is a mint state flyer and an exceptionally nice one. Cleaning is a bad word for coins but I think it would be safe to soak this cent in pure acetone (not nail polish remover!) for a few hours and then rinse it with distilled water. If you can get a laboratory-style wash bottle with a spout you can load the bottle with the distilled water and then squirt the coin with some pressure. That may be enough to dislodge the gunk and it will be entirely safe. Then let the coin air-dry or you can GENTLY blot it with a clean soft cloth. Do not rub the coin in any way since that can produce hairline scratches which would seriously hurt the grade. Just make sure you don't drop the coin in the process!

I think grading is a good idea and would go with PCGS grading service. This coin is easily worth $1000 if it grades MS-64 which I think is possible. If it earns an elusive MS-65 the value will more than double.

It's a beautiful coin. Whoever left it for you had an eye for quality. Congratulations!

PS: please post some more highlights from your new collection!
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 Posted 11/24/2008  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steelie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the responses, don't worry about the cleaning - if it were to happen, it won't be done by me. I wish you all could see this up close, the pics don't do it justice. It has really nice different colors when the light catches it right.
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 Posted 12/04/2008  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blue Diamond Gold Exchange to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a very nice coin! Do not clean it. Do not soak it. Do not dip it. Do not rinse it. Do not squirt it. Just leave it alone.
If not for yourself, leave it alone for the sake of whoever owns it 100 years from now.

P. S. Did I mention that you should not clean it?
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 Posted 12/04/2008  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blue Diamond Gold Exchange to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, and one more thing....Don't let anyone else clean it either.
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 Posted 12/04/2008  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the above response, I wouldn't soak it in anything, nor do anything else with it. I would leave it alone and if I wanted it graded thats what I would do with it and forget about it. If you happen to try some of the stuff mentioned above and for some reason something goes wrong you would never forgive yourself nor anyone who even mentioned you try to clean it and it would be impossible to get it in a problem free holder if you decided to getit graded which would hurt the value of the coin drastically
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 Posted 12/04/2008  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't touch the coin!

Ps. Nice coin you've got there.
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Although a forum member (a working chemist with a specialty in metals) has developed a formula which seems to effectively remove verdigris without otherwise affecting the coin, this is too significant a coin to trust to a process which hasn't been accepted yet by the TPG's.

Are you able to determine for sure whether it's verdigris or just crud? Point being, if verdigris it has to be at least stabilized somehow or it will continue to further damage the coin.

If it were my coin, I'd submit it to PCGS as-is. PCGS will not slab it if there's verdigris, in which case I'd follow the NCS/NGC submission process. If PCGS does slab it, then you've maximized the resale value.

The pics aren't definitive, but I don't see any reason why that coin won't go MS64 or better. It's worth doing right the first time.
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