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I submitted this 1914-D to PCGS. It came from my grandfather's book of LWCs.   Here's what the book looked like (had been left in a box for decades):  The grade I received was Genuine XF / Cleaned. As a novice my question is what are the signs of cleaning. It does have a purplish tinge, which I thought could be related to the condition of the book, but other coins didn't appear that way. The coin was untouched since my grandfather put it in the book, although I don't know when that was (it ended in 1947 and based on my mother's account that's likely when he put it together). |
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I don't see this as an XF or a Details to be honest. I'd certainly put it in the VF range (maybe VF-25-30, tough to tell from these pics). I'm not sure what they were seeing to call this cleaned. Looks market acceptable IMO. On the "cleaned" topic....could very well have been cleaned, not necessarily by your father. Who knows how many hands it's passed through before his, and one of those could have done so. When it comes to the graders, sometimes a coin shows obvious signs of cleaning, other times it just looks "off", and there's also plenty of times that the TPG just gets it wrong. Up to that grader that day. And  Edited by Ty2020b
09/13/2020 01:48 am
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I see it more in the "very fine" grade along with the beginnings of some green crud corrosion.
I think the coin needs a gentle Q-tip wipe with with some Blue Ribbon Coin Conditioner or Verdicare!
Nice coin!
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I think this coin was detailed because of the corrosion on both sides and the environment that the folder was stored in turned that coin into a very dull dark brown . I recommend you take all those coins out of that folder . You can keep the empty folder as a remembrance of your Grandfather , but away from your coins . All the coins that was in that folder need to be conserved as Westernsky suggests . I use Verdi-Care with great results . Once they are all conserved either holder them in cardboard 2x2's or put them into a brand new Album , and keep that album in a cool dry place ; Humidity over the years is the worst thing for Copper coins .  |
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I go with XF but I have no way of determining if it was cleaned.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Boy, I sure don't see any evidence of cleaning. to the CCF! |
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Very nice coin. A couple spots of verdigris and early corrosion, but I don't see any obvious cleaning or anything that should detail the coin.
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I'm with Ty2020b
VF30 range. I dont see any signs of cleaning and if so it was a long time ago and retoned to be acceptable. its a good candidate for verdicare as you do have some verdigris that can cause long term issues. as for the grade of XF, I cant see it that high, however, I think I would accept the XF grade with details as most collectors would grade the coin and not the holder. its probably a wash, VF30 straight or XF40 details.
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Interesting, I don't see the cleaning, appears to be honest wear. The corrosion is minor. The crud on the coin shows its originality. I would crack it and try NCG or ANACS.
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Thanks for the replies. The pictures are not the best (from a phone camera), but to me the coin does appear to be quite good quality but also slightly "off", due to the dull purplish tone. In that sense I don't dispute the XF/cleaned grade, was just trying to understand it. As others noted, regardless of the grade I think it's a decent looking coin, whether or not it was actually cleaned.
I have removed all of the coins from that book and put them in 2x2s. I don't have any verdi-care but did a quick rinse in acetone first (although not this one). Surprisingly most of them are in good condition and don't have verdigris but perhaps I'll need to go through again to see if there are some that need better preservation.
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I have removed all of the coins from that book and put them in 2x2s. That's great , I'm sorry I have a habit of not reading the title of a thread all the way through . I should have caught that you had already sent it in for grading .My bad :( |
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Well done. How about showing us a few more of them?
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This was the other one I had graded:    As you can see there is a fair amount of verdigris, but based on advice I got at the time I took it straight out of the book, put it in a flip, and submitted it (well, and took a picture with my phone first). I was never clear on what steps PCGS would take before putting it in the holder but it does look cleaner than in the original photos. |
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