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 United States
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Usually these are pretty cut and dry, but for some reason I'm conflicted on this one. Not a bust coin guy, so I figured I let the public figure it out. It looks off to me but there isn't 1 thing that calls it for me. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1803-Drape...203071262345 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Fake IMO. Date looks off. It looks too consistent and "modern" if you will. Relief of the date is also looks too high, especially considering the condition of the coin. I think where I was going with this is the date maintains a roundness that for 1) is uncharacteristic of an authentic 1803 and 2) does not share the same circulation flattening that the rest of the coin has.
Edit: I'm by no means an expert on this series, just an observation.
Edited by Ty2020b
10/10/2020 01:06 am
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
8938 Posts |
Those were my observations as well. Usually I'm pretty on the nose with fakes but this one made me uncomfortable for some reason.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3343 Posts |
Not much beauty here. Looks sort of real, with a tooled date.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq
10/10/2020 07:24 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10284 Posts |
If it is authentic, the hole would be in a great place to be plugged for a change.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
The hole would put me off, fake or not.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
The date logo looks wrong to me.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
I'd keep away just because of the hole.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3632 Posts |
The hole looks too new, and it's in a wrong location for jewelry use. Note the sharpness of the edge of the hole on the reverse.
Danger, Will Robinson!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Modeled on an 1803 B-6, the date style and placement is correct, BUT the coin is well worn with the stars and LIBERTY flat, but the date digits are rounded with no sign of flattening from wear. I'd say they used a worn coin to make a hub and removed the date then punched the correct font date into the die taking care to get the placement of the digits right (They may have even created a four digit logotype punch to do so) but that left the date not matching the wear seen on the rest of the coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
As Conder has indicated, a well set up workshop is quite capable of making hub dies from genuine coins.
Charles M. Larson in his book 'Numismatic Forgery' indicates how hub dies from genuine coins are made.
I agree with the view that there appears to be differential wear between the date and the rest of the coin and the reasons why this appears to be so.
90% silver stock sourced from genuine coins is what I would expect for the material for this coin. Therefore, XRF analysis would be useless in this case.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4469 Posts |
The coin has a raised rim - fake.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3343 Posts |
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The date really looks suspicious to me, but as @Conder101 pointed out, the shape of the numbers and date location are correct. And as @fortcollins noted, the hole definitely looks recently drilled--I'm wondering if it was determined to be a fake, perhaps by weight or metal analysis, and someone drilled the hole to deface it and destroy the value.
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