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1985 Lincoln Memorial Cent Error?

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Any thoughts on how this happened ? I tried to duplicate this with a box cutter, every time you hit a raised area the blades jumps leaving an uncut section. The faster you go the greater the missed portion. 1985 Philly.

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It does not look defined enough to be struck-through wire or something of the sort so I would say that the planchet was scratched before the coin was struck. Very interesting
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WHY could this "not' be a die break?
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Mike, the first thing is the straightness of the line. Cracks or breaks tend to be jagged. The line on this coin is incuse with raised edges on both sides. This is usually associated with some kind of blade making the wound.
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I will be agreeing with biokemist6.
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This is the sort of effect that incomplete clips have. Everything is concave and even, proving that it happened before the strike. Interesting.

I would say it's an incomplete straight clip.

I'd like to see what Mike Diamond has to say about this one.
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To me it looks like a very light scratch on the 1985 Philly. May have just cut through areas of the plating and raising. It is just one line. The images makes it look like more than one. It's not a die issue as the line flow through the devices and field. Age made the metal rise as the zinc under neat is exposed. Maybe a straight pin or needle. A razor blade makes a wider cut and you can see the zinc through the plating. I'm going to have to make me one, then I would know for sure. But it would take some time to allow the zinc to start working to make the line raise. Probably take several years before it would happen?
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Coop - The line runs straight as an arrow through the devices. It's not possible to do this after the coin is struck.

Like I said, the line was cut into the planchet before it was struck.
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That has got to be on the planchet.
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possibly a wire bristol from a wire brush that was on the planchet prior to striking?
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Is there a wheel or something that feeds the sheets of metal into the planchet maker. Maybe one of the wheels froze up and skidded across the sheet. Just my guess.
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Just like the OP couldn't scratch the coin evenly on purpose, it would have been equally difficult for the die to have such a scratch on it. Count me as another vote for scratch on the planchet.
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It appears to be some form of pre-strike damage that was present on the coin metal strip, blank, or planchet prior to being plated with copper. An incomplete straight clip is a possibility. There's really no way to tell for sure. Pre-strike damage comes in a wide array of forms.
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Thanks Mike. I'll just tuck it away with a note, unknown damage prior to striking.
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Definite keeper, I think what makes it so cool is the fact that it pretty much bisects the coin
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hmmm, I always thought if there was any minor damage to the planchet it would be smoothed over when the coin was struck due to the metal "pooling" from heat.
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