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The best way to start is to consult a reference that shows genuine coins. This can be a reference book, or internet research. This site also has some reference photos https://www.coincommunity.com/us_coin_facts/Familiarize yourself with what a genuine coin should look like. This one is fake. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Compare with photos of genuine coins, weight, diameter, composition. John1  |
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United States
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On the Draped Bust Dollar series, look at the rims and denticles. Understand what a coin looks like that was struck in a ring and a coin that was not struck in a ring. When the Draped Bust Dollar series was minted, rings did not exist. The coin posted was struck in a ring. Checking the rims is a starting point, but it will not catch the really deceptive fakes.
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@SamV I too am a novice, but like to play along in the 'home game'. Seniors - all commentary welcome and appreciated. To start - if there's one thing I've learned is when trying to certify a 1795, using a 1797 image may be a fool's folly. That said, I believe even using another 1795 has huge risks because particularly in the older series there were lots of variations even within the same year. large dates/small dates; with arrows/no arrows; 13 stars/16 stars; and the list goes on. ...but...still knowing my comparison might be invalid, I did it anyways. The link provided earlier, has this sub-URL showing a 1797 https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...t-dollar.jpgSticking to the obverse, here are some of my observations: - the starts on the left start thin and get progressively thicker moving clockwise - on the reference (1797) they do not - the bottom most curl on the left looks like a full circle, reference does not - as one other pointed out, the denticles on the ref coin go to the edge, 1795 dont - the trailing portion of the upper ribbon in her hair does not make as sharp a "V" as the ref coin - the upper part of the "1" in 1795 looks way different (although one would expect the 1797 'date' was remade as opposed to the 1795 one (?)) - the eye socket on the 1795 looks different from the ref coin I can go on, but as I originally noted because I'm not comparing apples to apples my entire assessment is rather invalid. Senior members - do I get any credit for at least being on the right methodology track? |
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The best way to identify counterfeit silver coinage is to check the weight and size. The base metals that they use to make these will be less dense than silver, so either the weight will be lower or the coin will be thicker than it should be. Also the magnet and ping tests can help for identifying counterfeit silver.
In this case, the bumpiness of the reverse suggests that it is likely a cast counterfeit.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Some good deductions. I never could tell the difference with older coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
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That said, I believe even using another 1795 has huge risks because particularly in the older series there were lots of variations even within the same year. large dates/small dates; with arrows/no arrows; 13 stars/16 stars; and the list goes on. Yes, in 1795 there are 22 different die marriages from 12 obv and 9 rev dies. (Only two of them are draped bust though) Most every fake draped bust is modeled on the B-14 variety (As is this one) The infamous "Vampire hub" fakes, which appear with every date in the draped bust series, was made from the obv of the B-14 dollar. Edited by Conder101
12/19/2020 10:26 am
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Thank you all very much, it is really illuminating, in particular a detailed answer from fredm2654! Will keep learning with your kind help!
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This is the "Uncentered Bust" variety, too! A quick glance at the rim @ OF AMERICA screams "Fake!". The Dollars weren't struck like that
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I'll say something different. Know what a genuine one looks like. The two are night and day, so just looking at a handful of genuine ones will make it easy to spot low quality fakes. The better quality ones require a lot more to identify.
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Bedrock of the Community
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One quick way to find genuine comparison examples is to google (for example) "1800 Bust dollar - images", and then click on different ones to enlarge.
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Posted 12/18/2020 08:37 am
