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Were Nipples On Coins Ever Acceptable?

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I read an article that implied a 1852 token was fake because the woman had nipples, as well as other issues with it. Being a guy, I just imagined that would be the first thing to be rubbed off, and never gave it much thought after that.

Until I came across these stamps, so I thought if stamps were allowed to have nipples in that era, why not coinage?

Curious to see what other people think about this very serious issue.

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 Posted 02/10/2021  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bare breasted woman are more common than most realize, almost daily overlooked. Nearly all government buildings have statues and portraits in public view, even local ones. Coinage design of the time was no different where art pertains. So when they were released it was simply accept as such.
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 Posted 02/10/2021  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have any (not that I don't want them), but bare breasted women was a common theme on obsolete notes. Many banks released notes with topless women and topless man also.
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France 100 francs 1993:
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The obverse design is taken from a painting by Delacroix that also formed the basis for the design of the contemporary 100F banknote.
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The French were never afraid to show bare breasted women. It is a powerful symbol of life and the power to give life. On this example from the days of the French revolution you don't actually see the nipples, but their effect is certainly clear. They belong to (a statue of) the goddess Isis, from whose breasts the life-giving and purifying water streams for the "rebirth of the Nation." The scene is from an actual event that took place in Paris in 1793 to celebrate the anniversary of the storming of the Tuileries Palace.
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 Posted 02/10/2021  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Top stamp is a modern lithographed fake.

In my opinion, outside of classical times - no. Such coins sexualised and degraded women to the level of objects, allegorical or not. The Standing Liberty quarter was rightly covered up and in 1930 a series of stamps showing the "Naked Meja" from Spain were also roundly condemned and part of the 1929/1930 stamp issue blow out there which led to the destruction of the Spanish royal regime at the time.

To me modern coins showing breasts are tasteless. I think there is some coin from some African country like Guinea or Niger (Some Francophone thing) and it has a big breasted woman called Femme Somba and I consider the tackiest and nastiest coin ever made (Part of that c1970 gold and silver coin set craze in "Third World" countries that ensured such coins will never be worth over melt).

As for the French, well their attitude towards sexuality has always been rather liberal by our British and Northern European standards. I think its Catholic permissiveness vs Protestant abstinence. Many of their stamps are full of "oh la la" women and the French Polynesia stamps are basically all soft in my opinion beautiful women wearing next to nothing but flowers and a smile.
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European issues would have been more liberal "back in the day".

As for the 1852 token, no nipples apparent except for the fake.

Here is the fake, with obvious "enhancements" showing clearly


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I forgot I actually have a note with breasts. Personally I think it's well done, and it was common for its time.

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I guess bare breasts were actually more common on the postage stamps than they were on coins.

As recent as a hundred years ago, the bare-breasted Standing Liberty quarter of 1916 and 1917 met with such a public outcry that her breast was covered with chain link armor.

https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/bar...arter-768789

The most recent coin I came across with a woman's breast being shown was the the mother breastfeeding child Egyptian coin from 1979 celebrating The Year of the Child.

So perhaps it is still pretty much a taboo subject.
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As recent as a hundred years ago, the bare-breasted Standing Liberty quarter of 1916 and 1917 met with such a public outcry that her breast was covered with chain link armor.


That's actually not true at all. There was no instance of people upset about the bare breasts. The major uproar was that a bare body looked weak and unprotected.

https://www.coinworld.com/voices/ge...over-up.html


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...t-180962088/


Even the article you posted states that: "
However, the amount of influence generated by the public is open to speculation as well. Some historians indicate that public outcry was minuscule and had no effect on the upcoming redesign of the Standing Liberty quarter. Other historians believe it was a major influence on the redesign of the Standing Liberty quarter. Unfortunately, there is no solid evidence indicating which perspective is correct."

But never the less welcome aboard!


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Thank you for the welcome.

While the degree of public outcry aspect that affected the final outcome is very debatable, I do find the spin on the wartime chainlink vest to be a covert cover-up. Since it happened over a century ago, we may never know the truth.

Just my 2cents
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Correct, the same can be said about war time "nickels" as the amount of nickel saved was minuscule. The prevailing wisdom being to save nickel for the war effort but propaganda that the mint was also "doing its part" makes as much sense.

Although, for the SLQ I don't believe morality was much an issue as several large notes had breasts including the $20 large note I posted.

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I have come across numerous debates on other forums with very many theories getting thrown around.

It could perhaps be due to various aspects and agendas but the public outcry seems to be the most popular theory out there getting more credence due to the puritans of the turn of the century victorian era. The weak SLQ strikes could be the primary reason which led to the a few updates incorporated during its lifespan.

Incidentally, the Trade dollar too definitely looks like she has the right one out.
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 Posted 02/10/2021  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally I want to preface I like nudity (except for fat old guys, you can keep your clothes on). I would love to have coins like the 1916/1917 SLQ and $20 National Currency back in circulation. I'm done with old guys in our currency and coins!
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It has been artistically acceptable for a very long time.
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Of course, it's almost dead center on the Libertad.




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