1969 S Lincoln Penny "the Rare" Double Die / Machine Doubling

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sale4coin Valued Member United States 60 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 01:35 am Hi There, I almost jumped out of my chair on this one, 99.9% chance its a machine doubled coin, at a minimum a RPM, I think. The evidence is clear, the lettering in "Liberty" and "In God We Trust" is not doubled and prominent like the classic 1969-S. https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...erse-rd/2923 https://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles...dDieCent.htm After reading both sources, they both say something different. One source says a true 1969-S coin will not have a double mint mark. The other source says that is a myth. What do you guys think ? Another question is I am pretty sure the black spots on this coin are carbon spots, but I am not sure. Any thoughts, and comments are much appreciated. Report this Post to the Staff

SilverCents Pillar of the Community United States 3281 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 03:30 am Looks like Machine Doubling or Die Deterioration Doubling. Not a DDO or RPM. Edited by SilverCents 03/23/2021 03:31 am Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 04:40 am It is MD not a DDO. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
ijn1944 Bedrock of the Community United States 19146 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 07:30 am I agree, machine doubling--flat and shelf-like. I have a few dozen of these '69 S mints in a tube for 'fun-to-look-at' purposes. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 08:56 am Yep, good 'ole MD. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 09:46 am Looks like his brother: The 1968-1972 cents were well known as the Machine Doubling years. Very common. Because of the less than 50 examples of the big DDO, that year gets looked at a lot. 130 machine doubled examples were submitted to PCGS. All were graded as normal coins. These are quite common. Report this Post to the Staff
HGK3 Pillar of the Community United States 572 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 6:23 pm Quote: After reading both sources, they both say something different. One source says a true 1969-S coin will not have a double mint mark. The other source says that is a myth. They actually both say the same thing, they just use different language. The true 1969-S DDO will not have any die doubling on the mintmark because the mintmark was applied by hand after the die was made. Some don't like to refer to anything but true die doubling as "doubling", preferring to use other terms to describe Machine Doubling so as to avoid confusion. When PCGS says no doubling on the mint mark they mean no die doubling. When Ken Potter says the "no doubling on the S" is a myth, he's including Mechanical Doubling in the definition of "doubling", as you can see by image 6 in his article. Report this Post to the Staff
merclover Bedrock of the Community United States 10635 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 6:30 pm Excellent explanation, HGK3 Report this Post to the Staff
Greasy Fingers Pillar of the Community United States 7018 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 8:42 pm Remember prior to 1990, the die is "doubled" before the mint mark is applied...however you can find examples of ddos and ddrs with rpms. Report this Post to the Staff
NumisEd Pillar of the Community United States 5178 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 8:55 pm If this was a DDO for real, would it have been a five figures coin? Report this Post to the Staff
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1969 S Lincoln Penny "The Rare" Double Die / Machine Doubling