1807 Draped Bust 10c You Vs NGC

World's easiest attribution: Since it's an 1807, it's a JR-1. The 1807 is a strike quality nightmare. That makes grading tough. This has to be one of the most heavily clashed ones I've seen. The toning doesn't help.

That said, I see peripheral weakness and central device strength. I hesitate on whether a TPG would see clear evidence of circulation. IMHO, a TPG could see this as UNC, and possibly straight grade it. Disregarding the gouges and scratches on the reverse ("other than the iceberg, how was the Beef Wellington?"), it might land in the MS-63 area. If it straight grades, I could see a TPG adjusting it downward a full point for eye appeal to MS-62.

Personally, I see hints of circulation, an average ugly 1807 strike, and enough deep gouging and suggestions of an old cleaning to call it AU Details.

I'm with NumisEd, AU details/ scratches.

I think there is a bit of wear on it, I'm at EF-45.

Sorry for the delay! We've had family over the last few days, so been busy hanging out with them. I think NGC dropped the ball, hard. But me saying that NGC sucks at grading is like the sky is blue. Personally, I give this AU Details Scratched. That scratch, if it was on ANY other coin, would be detailed any day, and if NGC wants to hold any pretensive of grading objectively this should be in a details holder. Not to mention that massive hit to the cloud on the reverse.

I know you couldn't see it from the first set of pics, but what I initially thought was a light scratch on the obverse bust doing N-S looks much deeper in the full slab shot. All in all, NGC sucked on this one IMO.

Have to agree.

I also believe this coin should be "Details" possibly MS62/63 though, I would hold grade judgement on this piece until it was in hand, it could easily go AU or not. Could be what I think I'm seeing as rub or wear spots are simply a weak strike and the planchet not filling the die up.

The seller is quite a knowledgeable individual in the coin market, so I give a little leeway to him on the grade, for a coin this expensive I would think they really studied it in depth and in hand, before laying out funds to purchase.

Just to show how hard it can be to judge a coin from a picture, the pic of the entire slabbed coin looks more lustrous with more pleasing toning and eye appeal than the pics from which we all assed this coin. That said, I still don't see it as MS64 unless they are applying a different standard for early coinage.