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Yet Another Toned Silver Eagle Is It Real?

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Here's another silver eagle I purchased the other day just wondering if the toning seems legit? Its a proof and toned silver eagle proofs are kinda hard to come by. Would like any thoughts on the authenticity. I sent a similar coin into PCGS and it came back real but it's not even close to the vibrancy of this. I just posted another thread in this forum with the trueview images of the other eagle.

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 Posted 06/30/2021  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am no expert but that looks artificial. Waiting for others to weigh in.
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 Posted 06/30/2021  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly natural. When reviewing toning for possible doctoring the most important things to consider are the pattern, texture, and blending of the color.
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that the toning at least could be? artificial.
For this reason, I personally do not ascribe any extra value to rainbow toning.

I really prefer ASE's to appear blast white, because that is how they were
immediately after leaving the coining press.

Toning no matter how attractive it may be, (be it artificial or natural) is in actual fact, just a very mild form of surface corrosion.
Some like rainbow toning (myself included), but I am not prepared to pay any more for it, although such coins may be easier to sell.


Rainbow toning due to it's delicate state, is unstable, and such coins need to be stored in an an airtight container to stop progression to a less attractive appearance. Slabbing may be OK, but a positive screw seal capsule is the best.
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I have never seen a proof American Eagle with toning like that one. For that reason I say AT and believe PCGS will say the same.
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All I know is the progression of color looks totally correct compared to others I've seen. The toning looks really "smooth" compared to an MS coins toning. I know there's a difference in how proofs tone but not many examples to compare it to. Also I forgot to mention it's slabbed by PCI
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@Reclypso google PCI toned Silver Eagle. The old PCI holders were extremely good at toning coins, whatever they were made of was extremely reactive. Also, proof ASEs did tone, a simple google search shows many such examples
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When some one sends a coin to one of the trusted TPG's,do you have to outright ask them if it is NT or AT? Will they add that to the label?
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do you have to outright ask them if it is NT or AT? Will they add that to the label?


Not sure if they would specify NT, but I've seen many a slab with "questionable color" and I personally think this ASE would receive that designation, deserved or not.
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What Grape said - PCI holders are known to create toned coins. Either the insert was not inert or the weld allowed air/ moisture to infiltrate.
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If it toned because it reacted to chemicals in the PCI holder, to me it's just semantics whether you call it artificial or natural toning. Either way, it doesn't have nearly the eye appeal of your PCGS graded one.
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A quick dip would take care of it
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actually it looks like the edge of a PCI holder in the picture. if it is I'm certain it's legit toning from the PCI holder. A whole lot of them did it. If you sent it in, in the PCI holder, I don't think any of them would hit it with QT, those holders were known to produce vivid toning.

the progression looks right to me also, strong colors, but the right color progressions.
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Looks NT to me.
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I have 2 silver eagles in the blue label ANACS holders that were turning purple around the edges...Somewhere...Now I'm going to have to find them.
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