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A situation comes up quite often for me and every time it does I will admit I pause to consider my options, but I always come up with the same answer. Here is the set up.

You are in a coin shop. It does not matter if you know the dealer or not. It does not matter if you will ever return or not.

You start looking in a junk box of foreign coins marked 10 cents each or some other small amount.

You find something that is out of place. It could be a silver coin or even a gold coin in a box marked 10 cents.

What do you do?

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 Posted 07/05/2021  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pine Creek Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably would tell the seller that the coin is silver or gold. purchasing a gold coin for 10 cents is a bit shady sounding.
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 Posted 07/05/2021  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I would tell the owner, but it seems that's not the way most people are. They would buy it and call it a cherry pick.
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 Posted 07/05/2021  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tell us, What do you do first....

If It's my LCS, I'd show it to my coin guy and he'd mostly likely sell it to me at well under its value. Because he probably picked it up from a bulk collection/purchase.
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 Posted 07/06/2021  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would hand it over to the dealer, pointing out it didn't belong in that box.

I don't know any coin dealers who wouldn't already know this, so if I tried to put it in the pile of coins I was buying, they would most likely spot it as they counted the coins, and then they'd have to tell me it was in there by mistake and I couldn't have that coin for the bargain price.

Scenario 1: the dealer is grateful to me for honesty, and for helping them fish a valuable coin out of a bulk bucket that might have been destined for a bulk selloff in the near future.

Scenario 2: the dealer suspects I was trying to "steal" a valuable coin from them for a bargain, hoping they wouldn't notice.

I know I'd much rather have scenario 1 than scenario 2. It wouldn't matter if I knew the dealer or not, or ever planned on going back there or not. Scenario 1 is better for the deal I am preparing, right then and there.

Plus, I usually tell coin dealers I'm a coin club member (currently I'm club president). So when I go to a coin dealer's shop, I'm not just representing myself, my coin club's reputation is on the line too.
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I have my Christian conscience.
That leaves me with no choice but to tell the dealer immediately. There is always the hope that you may buy the coin at an honest low price.
I have already been in this sort of situation, and that is what I did then.

Like most other collectors, I have cherrypicked on lots of occasions, but not in an implied dishonest way.

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 Posted 07/06/2021  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting 70 views and only 4 replies in about 3 hours to a question that has only one correct answer (IMO).

You should advise the owner of the error. I was raised to believe that honesty is the best policy. That may be why in my 70's, I live on Social Security. But I am happy.

The first time it happened was in 1857. I was 10. I found an 1804 US Half Cent in a foreign junk box where coins were 5 cents. The owner said because I was honest I could have it for a nickel. He became my mentor in the years after that. He taught me a lot about coins, counterfeits and life in general. I dedicated my book to him. He was also a happy person, he was disabled and never got rich but he made an impression on me.

I can not tell you how many times I have found misplaced items in a junk box. At a minimum, 1000's. Silver, gold and several rare tokens but I never profited on those items.

I am bothered when I hear stories of Cherry Picking - it does the hobby no good to have that "cut-throat reputation".

It may be legal, but at least in my opinion it is not honest.
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 Posted 07/06/2021  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's really quite a grey area. What is an error on the part of the dealer or what's a good deal.

If it was a clear error on the part of the dealer I would tell but if it was a good spot on my part and the dealer missed it, then its fair game.

Let's put it this way, if you overpaid for an item, would the dealer highlight that to you ?
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I honestly do not think that it has a clear cut answer. You have to think of the economics of dealers' junk boxes. It is not worth their effort to give a thorough sort and identify every last valuable coin. They give a preliminary sort to find the silver and other more valuable coins, but once it goes into the junk bin I think that it is fair game for the collector. Were I a dealer, that's how I would look at it. Its a calculated risk.

Suppose a dealer showed you a pile of coins and said to you: Spend the afternoon sorting through these, identify all the valuable ones, and give them to me?

Why should I do the dealer's work?

If the collector is willing to spend the time to scrutinize the pile, using the knowledge they gained through hours of study, why should he or she not have a chance to be rewarded with the odd lucky find?

The same goes for misidentified coins in 2x2s. In my mind that is just commerce.
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07/06/2021 06:17 am
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 Posted 07/06/2021  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the dealer is honest then tell them.
If the dealer is dishonest then just buy it and don't tell them.


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07/06/2021 06:27 am
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First, thanks for the thoughtful thread.
I share the sentiments of @oriole.

I work in a different kind of retail store.
If we make a mistake pricing an item, it's on us. We sell it at the marked price, usually making a comment like, "Hey you're getting a good deal on this! Looks like we made a mistake," and then go check to make sure there are not others with the same mistake. We are not highly automated, by choice. So human error happens. If not daily, at least every other week. It's a consequence of how the boss has decided to run the business. We are the professionals and should get it right.

Sure, if there is a valuable U.S. coin in a world 10 cent bin, it's likely a mistake, and I would be inclined to point it out. But I also love to go through my local dealer's 20 cent world coin bin, and I've fished out coins I was curious about (since my knowledge of modern world coins is rather dated) and later found I could (and did) sell for 10 bucks. Should I have taken that back and told him how valuable it was? Was that 4,000% profit margin unethical? Where is the line?

As @oriole says, I think there is more gray than black-and-white to your question.

Thanks for provoking the discussion, and for sharing how that experience affected you.



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 Posted 07/06/2021  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be honest that would depend on the situation.
If I was starving and had a hungry family to support then this puts a totally different complexion on the situation outlined by swamperbob.
This is not trivial because this scenario helps you to understand that some people steal out of sheer desperation. Life has dealt them very hard cards.
Fortunately I am not in that situation and so I would ask myself why am I collecting coins? For greed and profit or for more lofty reasons.
Certainly if this occurred at the shops I visit I would point this out to the shopkeeper before purchase
I think this would be really appreciated, especially during these difficult COVID lockdown times and the adverse impact on many businesses.
I supported the businesses when it was permitted during these times and they have given me nice discounts on my purchases too

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07/06/2021 08:26 am
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 Posted 07/06/2021  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree that this is more of a grey area, businesses will not have an issue trying to fetch an extra premium for anything they sell, and in Canada an advertised price is not a negotiable thing. A few months ago I was at the lcbo and they had a sign saying something was 10$ off from 11$ to 1$ when it was supposed to say 1$ off so 10$ I grabbed a bunch of these an when I was at the counter brought up that the sign said it was only 1$. They checked and had to honour the advertised price. I put most of them back and just grabbed one for 1$ rather then all of them. So legally an advertised price has to be honoured or it's considered false advertising. Tho if I was in this specific scenario I would notify the dealer and hope my honesty is rewarded, and if not either way the coin dealer would have a better reputation of me. Mayb get good deals from them in the future.
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Just a couple days ago, I myself was wondering about the ethics of cherrypicking much better coins out of dealers bulk wether foreign or American (on another thread here). If it is silver in a foreign coin box/bin area, I call it accidental-silver, since I assume the dealer more than likely did not realize that silver was in there.

I admit I am a big cherrypicker, though most dealers I have dealt with don't really seem to mind me doing so. Flea market junk foreign boxes tend to be really good for me for the accidental silver finds. Now if it is a gold foreign coin, I probably will tell the dealer about it ant go from there.

One example I could cite from my cherrypicking, is some months ago I was going through a dealers foreign coins big box, the best find was a gemmy unc 1918 red Canadian large cent, in which I told the dealer that this seemed out-of-place in that particular box, and he told me that he didn't know how it ended up in there .
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07/06/2021 09:12 am
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I used to sell things at an antique mall & still sell on ebay. It's my responsibility to know the value of what I'm selling. When I set a price I've essentially given my word that I'll sell at that price. I expect other sellers to do the same.
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