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PCGS Reclassifies Early American Fugio Cent As Regular Issue Federal Coin

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 Posted 01/15/2022  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sharkman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just re-read both the Articles of Confederation and Constitution, and share these thoughts.
1. The authors of the Articles did not believe in using periods, except at the end of long paragraphs comprising all sorts of topics.
2. The Constitution is better on periods.
3. The Articles are perpetual. Their first focus is on common defense. The next important point is relations between the states, including prohibition of interstate compacts not first permitted by Congress. Finally, the Articles vested Congress with judicial functions in specified cases. There is no provision for repeal.
4. Nothing in the Constitution, nor any other document I am aware of, purports to repeal or supersede the Articles.
5. The Constitution breached the Articles as a prohibited compact between states, probably for other reasons, and, in practice, it was a repudiation of the Articles.
6. The four other states were powerless. Breaching the Articles was not a crime. It may have been some kind of breach of contract, but where could any of the four states have gotten a judgment effective in the adopting states? And how would they prove their damages? The only practical remedy would be a war to enforce what was essentially a peace treaty. Thankfully, people accepted reality and did nothing futile or stupid.
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 Posted 01/15/2022  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@sap those are interesting points but you are wrong about #1. The business in your example has no legal obligation to accept payment all in one cent coins. Straight from the Federal Reserve:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs...cy_12772.htm

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Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?

There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.


Federal code says dollars have to be accepted as legal tender, but does not mandate what forms of dollars must be accepted. You might find a state law that says otherwise, but I'm not sure that there is one. If a business wants to be clear about it, post a sign, like the "no bills over $20" you often see at convenience stores.

People do try it out of spite. Trying to pay a fine at a government office in pennies is a common example. There was a recent case where a shop owner paid a former employee his last paycheck in 91,500 cents, by dumping them in his driveway. The US Department of Labor is suing the employer for retaliation.
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 Posted 01/16/2022  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap,this is the first time I have heard of such a law that would prohibit me from paying $20 a coin for 1 cent.
Perhaps in the USA there is a law prohibiting me from paying the entire amount of debt a coin of a certain denomination,
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